Kharmas : inauspicious period of the hindu calendar

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  • http://nayarweb.com/ Nayar

    Damn! I guess you started the draft of this post before this date.

    Else, you’re scr3wed buddy. It was nice knowing you Yashvin.

  • http://nayarweb.com/ Nayar

    OOH, i thought it started today. LOL xD

    You’re saved.

  • http://deleted le_voyageur

    ayO .. lol .. mari post saa .. zOrdii ti ena my bro so engagement, my cousin so engagement ek ene lot cousin so engagement .. zis akoz sa espece letemps la ,, dimoun in bizin montrer figir laba, vinne ek nou et nou tou nou in zuene kot ene lot kouzin pou feter .. marii lol saaa :P

    in fer engagement en 3 parties saken :)

  • krishnen

    Kudos for having the courage to express your “non-belief”. I also believe most of these rituals are nonsense, but still have to follow some to please people/avoid unnecessary confrontation. However I do suppose that some of the rituals do have some logical meaning behind them but we just do it because someone told us we HAVE to do it or else something terrible will happen. For example the ritual of the saffron before the wedding is actually done because of the positive effect curcumin(the active agent in turmeric) has on the skin (it makes sense to look good on your wedding day lol). Modern science is only just realizing the many benefits of this herb.
    But coming back to your post; Astrology is fake, Carl Sagan proved it without any possibility of debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB88HnlLgZ8).Ironically he still had great admiration for ancient indian culture, especially the RigVeda, which contains an almost accurate estimation of the age of the universe (close to the one calculated by modern physics).

  • Aryan Kaif

    Hi Yashvin

    Even if I do not believe in these things, but much respect to your religion and your faith in God :D

  • http://pramoduniverse.com/ Pramod

    In fact it is not an inauspicious period in itself… it’s just that it is not really recommended to start anything new.

    If you have not seen the effects it’s normal you will never believe in that… Well personally I have seen cases where buying new things during those periods has actually caused some problems. We cannot really explain why it is like that. But it actually happened.

    It’s better that you do listen to ur elders not only to please them but because they are much more experienced than us and they might have experienced the effect themselves. Even if it’s does not sound logical… It’s better not to take that risk nah? ;)

  • http://pramoduniverse.com/ Pramod

    Et pas bliyer Sa Kharmas ki coummenC sa Decembre la, li fini avek Makar Sankranti which is considered very auspicious to start new things or buy new stuffs… ;)

  • http://vidhish.blogspot.com vidhish

    Wrongly defined kharmas, misconception of common belief v/s religion

    For me, the above article is EPIC FAIL as u like to point it out.

    Christianity is a religion, Father xmas/friday 13th a common belief…

    Hinduism is a religion, while common beliefs r numerous, among which there are kharmas, pitar paksh, graha, blabla.

    Make the difference between belief n religion.

  • http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin

    We like it or not, it is the part of our society, that of hindus.
    I am not like those people believing in everything that was said and passed on through generations.

    @Vidhish, belief? so? Isn’t it the truth?

  • Avishna

    You should be given some knowledge about hinduism to understand these things. mind you i dont pray or garde karem sipaki but these stuffs are in our sacred book and have a valid reason.have you ever read our sacred books?(n its not bhagvat geeta).

    Do not plan to have or deliver any kids (lol, tight timing)
    No car washing/No house cleaning LOL
    No new job/Refuse any interviews

    Your examples are ridiculous. Y u did not do your engagement in Karmas period to show that nothing bad can happen to you? SAYING IT LOUD THAT YOU DONT BELIEVE in it HOWEVER not practicing it – u lying to your self.

    Karmasily yours.

  • http://vidhish.blogspot.com vidhish

    @ pramod : my cousin actually purchased her car during kharmas! N guess what, she never had any accident with that car. She purchased another one later on(not during kharmas) n that one is subject to petty accidents time n again. alors, kharmas a belief or myth?

    @ yashvin: for me its a belief, explained scientifically by the simple planters example. U can start plantation in the winter period in INdia, while as pramod said it, sankranti is considered the start of auspicious time.

  • http://vidhish.blogspot.com vidhish

    i meant u CANT start plantation during that winter period. zot tou coner ki nanien pa pu pousser lerla :P hence inauspicious!

    I wont go into details mentioning other cases of kharmas.

    astrology is a science, of numbers, calculation. Horoscope comes in to make random suppositions. Astrology has an explanation abt kharmas, which i cant explain :S

  • http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin

    @vidhish : You got a point here. Kharmas is applicable for planters for a specific reason. But what about all these ‘forbidden’ practices in Mauritius?

    @Avishna : So, when it concerns something that earns money and more critical (like jobs), it becomes ridiculous. But when it comes to purchase something etc, here is becomes a belief? What’s the logic?

  • Bhooks

    My parents got married in december 1973 en plein period maree noire. They are still happily married and still enjoying stuffs. So you can put your karmas where I think you should.

    You = all those who believe in.. Which include most mauritians of hindu community

  • http://pramoduniverse.com/ Pramod

    @vidhish: That’s why I said it’s not recommended, I did not say that you should not. It’s not necessary that something wrong is bound to happen. It’s just a precaution that we take. And who knows? If you try to look at the case of ur cousin from the point of view of something above reality (Au dela du réel), maybe the reason for ur cousin having these accidents with his current car is due to the effects of the Kharmas being transferred to the new one, since he did not undergo any problem with his first car :p

    I know what i said seems absurd, but still it’s a hypothesis from my point of view. ;)

    Even in the period of Kharmas there are some time for some people which might be considered auspicious to start new things, it all depends on the planetary position of that person…

    Even out of the period of Kharmas there are some times which are not really auspicious for some people to buy a new car or start new things.

    @Yashvin: Pointing out ur example on planning to deliver kids -> Do not forget, you life does not start during the time when you are out of the womb, but rather at the moment when you have been conceived… :p

  • http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin

    Yes @Avishna, I do not believe in this and yet I did not plan that event during that period. It is not a secret, I did that just to please others because an engagement is something between 2 families (and more), so I can’t be seldom and think just about me. You follow this blog since very long, and I think that you know I respect what others say, even if I do not agree.

    @Pramod: I did take that into consideration, I quote :
    Do not plan to have or deliver any kids

    No seriously, I can’t understand why people show so much concern when it comes to things which they can control (as I said, weddings/celebrations etc) and totally *innoncent* when they have to engage into new things beyond their control during that same period (again, I said : Jobs etc).

    That’s the main reason behind this post…

  • Avishna

    y please others? u are getting engaged for YOU not to please others right? r u getting married to please others or for you? i wonder….

    have you read the sacred texts? if not i do not wish to comment further on this post since you did not enough research.

    Have a nice day.

  • http://pramoduniverse.com/ Pramod

    Come on Yash, even if u dnt believe it, it’s good that u listened to ur elders. It’s a respect to their belief or maybe their fears. In a way or the other they have their reasons why they believe in Kharmas. You can take it as a tradition for them. And practically you did not lose anything by listening to them.

    On the contrary, had you not paid heed to their advice, this would have increased their fear, maybe brought in tension in their minds and this would have been selfish from your part. :)

    You took the right decision by respecting the belief of ur elders.

    God Bless You…

  • http://nayarweb.com/ Nayar

    @Pramod:
    Christianity is a religion, Father xmas/friday 13th a common belief…

    Hinduism is a religion, while common beliefs r numerous, among which there are kharmas, pitar paksh, graha, blabla.

    Make the difference between belief n religion.
    You said it all buddy :)

    However, today, beliefs has mixed so much with core religion that it is hard – almost impossible – to separate both now.

    I will make soon,Insha Allah,write a blog post about: All Religions originally are from The One and same God.

  • Mike

    Now I am learning something I had no idea about before. I will try to find out if my family still practices this? It is interesting to see how traditions get mixed up with religious rituals. How popular beliefs become entwined in the spiritual norms. Understanding some of this can help in our relations with those around us.

  • http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin

    @Pramod : Yes, I did listen to them, to pay the due respect and avoid people gossiping around
    “li pane ekouter et line faire sa pendant kharmas, guet resultat”.

    important :
    Some guy named Kavee J. left a rather ofending comment, which was disgarded for use of swear words, personal attacks.

  • Witty Girl

    Mano to rasm hain… na mano to bakwaas.. I personally feel its a matter of perception. Besides most of us Hindus don’t follow the Hindu calendar. take it or leave it..its integral part of the religion. Nothing comes with perfection, not even religion!

  • http://pramoduniverse.com/ Pramod

    @Yashvin: Pena nanrien de mal ladans… And I said do this for the respect of ur elders and not because u dnt want people to gossip around… :)

  • Bernardo

    If an explanation to something cannot be sustained by science, it needs to be disregarded as being the truth

    Plain and simple

    Actually we all usually make the mistake of thinking that it’s up to non-believers to prove that a theory is false. It should actually be the opposite: The one believing in a theory should scientifically prove that it is true… and not just believe in unproven and supernatural legacy theories

  • Torpedo

    @ vidhish & Nayar

    Hinduism is a philosophy, not a religion. Else, how can you convert someone to hinduism? Just a question of vocabulary, else, dakor nett ar ou: sa-bann superstition-la ki manz ou crane ek emprisonne ou en-dans ou la-tett ek dans ou-bann action.

    @ Yashvin

    Sa periode kharrmass-la li applicable ziss pou bann “puranic”, if i’m not mistaken, because I was invited to a hindu wedding en plein kharrmass some weeks ago, apprarently a “vedic” one: almost no decoration of the hall, no safran, only a short religious ceremony followed by a reception after the civil marriage.

  • http://nayarweb.com/ Nayar

    @Torpedo:
    Hinduism is a philosophy, not a religion. Else, how can you convert someone to hinduism?
    My cousin told me exactly the same thing yesterday. For the moment, i will NOT comment further concerning this as i think my comment would be too direct and frank.

    & @yashvin: …and you know that guy.

  • Observer

    @vidhish
    “Christianity is a religion, Father xmas/friday 13th a common belief…

    Hinduism is a religion, while common beliefs r numerous, among which there are kharmas, pitar paksh, graha, blabla.”

    Unlike santa claus and friday 13th; kharmas, pitar paksh are written in hindu calendar. These are RITUALS not BELIEFS!!! before making a fool of yourself, please google it up.

    let me give you ppl a little perspective..

    Yashvin, blogging is your thing for sometime, right? imagine a bunch of non-blogging people discussing about pros and cons of blogging without having blogged or knowing anything about blogging. those ppl can have numerous suppositions/assumptions which might be wrong.

    In the same way, ppl who dont know about kharmaas can have multiple assumptions/beliefs BUT the only person to give you the exact answer to your answer is a pandit/pujari.

    Also somtimes its inevitable to start smthg in kharmaas, then you ask your pandit to do a special prayer for it.

    if you question kharmaas, then you might as well question every hindu ritual, e.g naam karan, i.e where hindu babies’ names are given after consultancy with a pandit, also kundli & panchaang to fix marriage/engagement date.

  • Avishna

    ah i agree with observer. it is definitely written in hindu calender just like the dates for purnima n karem.taler mo prend 1 picture of the calender n send u. Observer has used the right words!!

  • http://lallmatie.com bhoot

    While there are rituals, they are mostly based on the lunar calendar. The kharma mentioned here has been practised by local priest only recently. It is not practised in India. My friend got married during this period. What is of greater importance in the hindu calendar is that full moons are most auspicious!

    These are just HOLIDAYS FOR PRIESTS. Notice how they are the same every year! But if festivals follow the lunar calendar (e.g. Divali date advances every year), why does this one follow the solar calender?

    I’m sure you all realise that some people have mixed tradition, rituals and religion in Mauritius. Not only in Hinduism, but also in Christianity (you can’t pray Jesus, you should pray God only) and Islam (Jihaad has no religious meaning).

  • http://nayarweb.com/blog/ Nayar

    @Observer:
    These are RITUALS not BELIEFS!!! before making a fool of yourself, please google it up.
    No. He did not make a fool of himself. Google is just a search engine which searches information which people have put on the net for you.

    BUT the only person to give you the exact answer to your answer is a pandit/pujari.
    Scr3w most of the so called “religious workers”. All they want is money. I am not insulting any religion here. I am just stating the fact that these so called priests don’t give a damn about religion and therefore about God.

    You should be trusting God alone(btw, isn’t it the aim of religions). If you need any clarification, go and ask God himself. Why do people complicate things?

  • http://reenadkl.blogspot.com/2010/09/my-iphone-4.html ReenaDKL

    I would just add that certain things our ancestors taught us have profound scientific roots, which unfortunately got lost from generations to generations…

    For example, “Mundan” (head shaving for babies in Hindu Culture) is believed to stimulate the brain as the skull since it’s still soft for newborns…you can Google and have the facts….

    What I mean is that some of the things we are taught have strong meanings…but you should always feel at ease and know the reasons behind…Michel and I always try to get the scientific reasons before doing most of the things we are expected to…

    But there’s still the “miracle” part which is not to forget…

    Me out of subject la!?

    By d way!!!: It’s my personal point of view..so please don’t harass me :P

  • Observer

    @Nayar

    the google it up thing, actually was sarcasm, i said it because there seemed to be a confusion with RITUALS & BELIEFS, now if you dont know the meaning of sarcasm then please google it up :)

    “Scr3w most of the so called “religious workers”. All they want is money.”
    so when a pandit tells you not to get married on Kharmaas, according to you, he’s after your money??strange logic eh? lol

    I could reply to every of your questionable logic but lets stick to the point;
    yashvin’s post is about kharmaas, some ppl believe in it , some dont. I accept that. Some ppl on the contrary cant accept that other ppl do believe in this. accept others around u as they are, its not because pandits believe in kharmaas that they become thieves. its not because ppl believe in hindu rituals and beliefs that they become ignorants or inferior than your SUPERIOR self :)

  • Torpedo

    @ Nayar
    Hats off to your cousin: he got it spot on!Thank you for being too direct and frank. :-)
    By the way, it’s either ‘direct and frank’ or not. Or do you want to invent degrees of directness and frankness…? :-D

    And of course, you are 100% right in your reply to Observer: “All they want is money (…) I am just stating the fact that these so called priests don’t give a damn about religion and therefore about God.”

    @ Observer
    “if you question kharmaas, then you might as well question every hindu ritual…”
    That’s the beauty of this philosophy, dear fellow human being. You can question everything, and every concept evolves geographically (hinduism is practices differently in south India and in the north, and in Indonesia, etc…) and over time (vedic movement).
    So, the rituals mean less than the essence of the philosophy, which is the primordial preoccupation. It’s NOT dogmatic like the others who pretend that only one leader knows all and that the answer to EVERYTHING is found in a book: who wrote the book in the first place…? Bon, this is another discussion (if we can discuss about that in Mauritius without being threatened of all sorts of “things”).
    By the way, i hope you can sit back, relax, and let this person make sense of discussing about religion: Richard Dawkins
    Hehe!
    Have fun!

  • Avishna

    @ Observer: you have used the right exact words!very wise words.

    @ all ( who are concerned): y u keep dragging religion here? Debate here is about “Karmas” -one specific period.

    Karmasily yours,

  • Wiccan

    hello ppl,

    i’m sorry i cant enlighten u on d topic being discussed but i have few questions(also for u to ponder upon):

    1. were these kharmas considered in the past in mauritius for wedding etc or it came much later?

    2. is it even considered in India today?

    3. zers someone who said Kharmas is mentioned in the sacred books, plz help me in finding where exactly that is.

    thank u
    cheerz ;)

  • Observer

    @Torpedo

    u missed my point completely mate,i feel you amongst many ppl out here quite incensed by what i wrote.

    if u have a little break from watching Richard Dawkins videos about religion on youtube, please read again:

    “accept others around u as they are, its not because pandits believe in kharmaas that they become thieves. its not because ppl believe in hindu rituals and beliefs that they become ignorants or inferior than your SUPERIOR self :)”

    cant u jst accept that i believe in it and u not?

    each person has his/her own belief, u derive ur belief/logic from youtube, me from personal experience ;)

  • karishma

    last year i bought a car in this unlucky period…. few things did happen but i dont fink becoz of this kharmaas… it happened bcoz it had to…. we tend to be believe in such stuffs becoz psychologically we feel sumfing unlucky is bound to happen

  • http://lallmatie.com bhoot

    @Wiccan
    1. Kharmas was not considered for Mauritian weddings many years ago
    2. It is not practised in Northern India. I don’t know about South.
    3. I have studied Ramayan and Bhagvad Gita: they do not appear in them.

    @karishma
    Well said, if you think something may happen, your brain works to make it happen!

  • Anonymous User

    Yep … i totally agree with “vidhish”! Kharmas is none other than another hindu version of friday 13th, for a longer time period though!! :P
    So, carry on with your usual way of life, ignore this fake and gayish event or whatever it is and you”ll see, nothing “inauspicious” gonna happen!!
    :-)

  • Avishna

    mo redir bhagwat geeta n ramayan r stories which teach you moral. Please get ur facts well-christians have bible,muslim the coran n hindus have our 4 vedas.
    Please feel free to goggle it up.
    @yashvin – kan zot pas connais kifer ecrire nimporte.

  • Bernardo

    Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
    People often do Selection Bias to see meaningful things in randomly, meaningless and naturally occuring events

    These are the basis of mild paranoia which give birth to enigmas such as The Number 23 Enigma and “The Ï€ (Pi) and Golden Spiral [1] [2] natural occurrence in everything”

    In short, we see what we want to see. If you strongly believe that something bad will occur, you find hints of its occurence everywhere. There goes “Astrology”, “Numerology”, “Karmas”, etc.. etc..

  • Observer

    to all ppl seemingly incensed by the beliefs of other ppl, if u use google(or if u know use actually)

    – its not called kharmaas in india, its called “Dhanur masa-Marghazhi – is a Shoonya Masa”, its an important part in Hindu calendar.
    Read on
    ===============
    http://www.spiritualbangalore.com/knowledge-center/articles/dhanurmasa/

    “Dhanurmasa is also called as Shoonya Masa because it is considered as inauspicious to do any good things other than Godly functions. This month is allotted to Gods and for us it is a blank – meaning Shoonya. Lord Krishna declares in the Bhagavad Gita: “I manifest the most in the month of Margashira ( Dhanurmasa – Dec 16 to Jan. 13) among the months of a year.” This highlights the religious significance of Dhanurmasa in the Hindu calendar. For this reason, sages have set apart this month to be completely focused on devotional activities. Other non-devotional social activities (such as weddings) are prohibited during this month so that attention can be given exclusively to the worship of God without any diversions.”
    ==================
    @bhoot, you read Bhagvad Gita not studied it..

    even in india ppl dont fix weddings in this period.

    @all no offences meant, but higher cast hindus in mauritius have always given importance to this.

    good day.

  • Avishna

    @Observer: you are amazing and knows how to explain complicated stuffs into simple words. Yashvin and i LOVE YOU.

  • Torpedo

    @Observer: Very good mate! “Incensed”, I am not, but it’s always nice to read well-written prose written by articulate people like you, thank you…
    Also, thanks for not extrapolating from the Dawkins’ choice of YouTube for airing his docos that I “derive [my] belief/logic from youtube”: I derive my own explanations from my own personal experiences. I happen to admire Dawkins, who is very articulate like these people, because they know how to expose fallacious non-arguments/half-truths being used instead of scientific evidence.
    In any case, generally I do have respect for all human beings like you. And I (not really, beacause I firmly believe that I was not born but rather downmloaded unto this planet for some kind of experimentation on behalf of my Lord the Teapot… but that’s another debate:-))

  • Torpedo

    @ Observer
    “@all no offences meant, but higher cast hindus in mauritius have always given importance to this.”
    Bien dit: it’s those who profit most from an unfair system who will always view for maintaining it!

  • Observer

    @Torpedo

    The topic was kharmas, and not a competition to prove who’s superior. U lost focus mate, instead of commenting on the kharmas, ure fixated on a personal feud with me.

    I made my point about kharmas, what point is it that you made?? neither FOR nor AGAINST belief in kharmas.

    “Bien dit: it’s those who profit most from an unfair system who will always view for maintaining it!”

    Would you mind explaining how kharmas belief profits ppl?? On 2nd thought, dont bother, u’ll give another off-topic explanation…

    P.S: my chosen words earlier were to get in your head, u decide if it got in or not :)

  • Vishal

    @Yashvin : i’ve been checking out ur blog for some time now and sometimes your articles are imho amazingly childish.

    Take this kharmas topic for example, i think that you should at least do some basic research before posting something inflamatory about a well established religion which is followed by millions around the world.

    It is very cool for you not to religious or spiritual or whatever, but that does not mean that people who follow a particular religion do not deserve respect. This lack of respect is quite disturbing really.

    It seems that most of the followers here, which from the intellectual level of your comments i take are in the late teens/ early twenties, think that it is cool to be agnostic, it is fashionable to say that i do not believe in god.

    well the thing is, do you know what you believe in?

    It is said that “little knowledge is dangerous”.

    Since the post is about Kharmas, here’s my take on the subject.

    This is a specific time period defined in the hindu calendar.

    but then when i say hindu, its all bullshit, coz the very term hinduism is of western origin, there’s no such thing as hinduism. The real term is Sanatan Dharma, which is based on a collection of 4 vedas amongst other puranas.

    About Kharmas not being followed in India. Well not everything is followed the same way throughout India. That place is kinda huge, and different regions have different practices, and give more or less importance to certain events.

    What we give importance in Mauritius is usually closely followed by people of Bihar in India. And since bihar is one of the most underdeveloped states in India, its likely you won’t find much on the net about it.

    And yeah about using google, you need to find the proper terms to do the search. most the the hindu terms used here in mauritius are derived from the mauritian version of bhojpuri. The real terms are in Sanskrit. So google up the right keywords and you’ll have the right info.

    Before having a nice laugh about hinduism, at least try to know what is it really about, what is the difference between religion, rituals, and common beliefs, coz right now all you are laughing at is what your parents taught you.

    before making fun of something, at least take the pain of knowing exactly what you are making fun

  • http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin

    @Vishal : Thanks for voicing out your views. You are the most welcomed.

  • http://coleensosa.co.cc/ Coleen Sosa

    @Torpedo The topic was kharmas, and not a competition to prove who’s superior. U lost focus mate, instead of commenting on the kharmas, ure fixated on a personal feud with me. I made my point about kharmas, what point is it that you made?? neither FOR nor AGAINST belief in kharmas. “Bien dit: it’s those who profit most from an unfair system who will always view for maintaining it!” Would you mind explaining how kharmas belief profits ppl?? On 2nd thought, dont bother, u’ll give another off-topic explanation… P.S: my chosen words earlier were to get in your head, u decide if it got in or not :)

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  • zheizah

    @yashvinawootar:disqus @ashvin  it was a mistake to write on something you don’t have any knowledge. Again it was a mistake, everybody do mistakes.Things like this(blogs) make Gov  censor internet.  You can be paid to influence young hindu to be divided. :(. I am free to  judge. Its better you close this debate.
    Religion is very important for Mauritian. No matter what you think of it. It has helped many Mauritian to follow the path of light and truth. Look at the big picture. write the good thing religion and beliefs brought to the Mauritian economy, lifestyle, education and politics.

    @  torpedo and nayar . Just because cehl meah is always around murky affairs mean all the officials are corrupted or after money?? They don’t know religion?? I dont know  where you learn, maybe from internet. Anyway i know, many sheeps are going to follow you.

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  • Dilip

    I am getting married in Nov 2013 and planning to leave with my wife sometime in Dec for US. Do you think Karmas applies to such travel?

  • http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin Awootar

    Only if you believe in them :-)