HSC laureate said “Mo pas pu retourne moris”

8 February 2009 176 Comments

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Since a few days now, the results of the Higher School Certificate have been made public, making some students overjoyed, while some may be disappointed.

As usual, newspapers have given much importance to the 2009 laureates.

While reading these newspapers during this weekend, I was reading the interviews of some of the laureates who have the sense of Patriotism by clearly stating that they WILL return back after their studies to help Mauritius.

However, to my astonishment, some of they said :

“After my studies, I won’t return to Mauritius”

“Depending on opportunities, I will decide if I will be back to Mauritius” or things like that.

F*ck to them!

How do they dare to say things like that when its with the money of the Mauritians that their studies will be financed for years?

Not only their studies, but even their living and pocket money!

Did they forgot that? or are they dumb despite being ‘laureates’?

unilab

If some of them (or even you) reply that its with their hard work that they achieved that, then they should not have competed to obtain a scholarship, CONTRIBUTED by Mauritians!

I think that the Government should make some conditions regarding these scholarships, for instance, they should return back to the country after their studies, or things like that. I dont know if it is the case, but for certain scholarships offered by certain countries, I know they have conditions.

You may perhaps have heard the ministers or other persons saying that they have kindly asked the students to return back to the country, its as if they are begging them.

Do not hesitate to forward this to your friends, specially if they form part of the 2009 laureates.

That’s my point of view and I will be happy to hear yours…

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http://koonul.wordpress.com Slasher

Yeah you’re totally right Yashvin.
Actually the Laureates sign a bond where it is stipulated that they SHOULD return to Mauritius after their studies and work here for a minimum of years (I don’t remember the number of years exactly).

However, in reality this clause is not respected and actions are not taken by the Govt.
http://www.themediaguru.co.cc carrotmadman6

I bet after 5 years… he’ll end up crying ‘I want to return home!’

They may not come back immediately to Mauritius, but surely one day the grass will be greener here.
vicks

HSC laureate lol.. mo penC gaspiyaz cash sa.. instead ti bizin ena plus bourse ki offer pou MSC

mo pas trouve hsc aC serious ki nou base lor la avant investi lor ene kikun.

ene tas dimoune travay bien pou hsc mais letemps arrive at uni.. zotte pas perform couma bizin..

hsc ine perdi tou so valeur mo croire.. ziste to ena pou fer to banens past papers to allE.. to paC garanti.. ena papier to capve mem pas lire kestion la.. aforce kestion repeT to capve nec ecrire reponse direct!!

bizin arete sa system la.. bizin bouge competition from hsc to university level mo penC..
Yashi

Govt scholarships are like contracts, I think they have to come back for a certain amount of time and work in Mauritius, but like all contracts, it can be cancelled on payment of a fee, which is quite high I think, around Rs500,000, I am not too sure about the level of the fee though… I don’t see why you should tell them to f*** off lol They have been given the option of competing, they did and they won their scholarship fair and square. It’s their future, they can do whatever they want, I am sure 99% of people will think about themselves when it comes to their careers. No-one here is a saint!

But I do think there should be a more strict clause in the contract and maybe the Govt should make Mauritius a better place to work so that laureates actually want to come back. Most laureates on the science side will do medecine, but if you think about working in a hospital in Mauritius or one in the UK, there is only one winner! I cannot blame someone who wanting the best for themselves. It’s the Govt who should rethink its scholarship schemes. It could increase the fee you have to pay to NOT come back to Mauritius to work, by a million for e.g. I also think the amount of money awarded is too high, Rs10m for ONE person who is ranked first on the science side is a LOT of money! Sure they are bright, but the amount of money is too disproportionate (almost like a lottery) since it’s very close in the science ranks, anyone ranked up to 20th could be considered as someone who could have been first, there isn’t a lot of difference in terms of marks. I think it should be distributed more fairly, maybe till those ranked 15th.

I would rather blame the Govt for spending a massive amount of the taxpayers’ money and not making sure the country gets it back in one form or another than blame those hardworking students who have to think about what’s best for themselves. If the Govt gets tougher and actually make mauritius a great place to work for them, then they will either think twice before competing or will compete, win a scholarship and come back after their studies. These laureates aren’t bloodsuckers, if you were given the choice they were given, maybe you would do the same thing. If the choice they are given is changed, then it will be different.
Hans

No one can force them mate! I agree that is their duty to come back to Mauritius because it is their country in order to serve it and make it a better one. Laureates are considered as the future leaders of our country, well it is a popular belief but this not necessary true!

How many times have you seen a laureat nominated as the CEO of some public corporations? It is always the ” coller l’affiches” or the ” Petit copin ou copine” who get nominated! Do you think it is fair for a laureate to work under someone who does a hedging for two years when we all know that a hedging should be done for four months maximum! This is a just an example.

And just tell me how many times have you seen a laureate being elected as a minister,-apart from Sinatambou! Only money and certain groups of people decide who will be Minister or not, this is not decided by the fact that someone got 5A’s for his hsc exams.

I am not saying that you should betray your country and work for another one but can you country give you the job satisfaction that you are getting in another country! The answer is definitely no!
http://www.studenteam.co.cc Nayar

Mauritius is a sinking ship.

Let the lucky ones live…
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

I wish to point out something important here, since the post is entirely based on this point.

Since the scholarships is the money of the Mauritians, should not they be patriotic and come back after their studies to serve the country?
The government is also to be blamed for not (1) adding this condition to the ‘contract’ or (2) for not ensuring that the laureates come back.

Sure, one will always choose a country for better prospects, that’s why I find that the government should add this condition so that those persons have to come back.
http://anesh1805.wordpress.com Anesh

U r rite man!
Zey should come bak
koz avek nu cash ki zot p ale laba FREE
so zey hv 2come bak n repay dat debt!
http://www.tushal.net Tushal

Yashvin, you’re right by telling f*ck to them. The tax payers contribute for their scholarship and at least they should have a minimum level of patriotic and return to the country.
@Yashi–> No. They don’t sign a bond of Rs500K. It is less than that.

“Most laureates on the science side will do medecine, but if you think about working in a hospital in Mauritius or one in the UK, there is only one winner! I”

You do know that working in the medical field in Mauritius is one of the most highly paid job? I’m not referring to the public sector. No one asked them to work for hospitals. Anyway, not all doctors are good.

“actually make mauritius a great place to work for them, ”

Why do people think that Mauritius is not a great place to work? Jeez, are you people just stupid or ignorant of everything?

For the contract, I think that it should be revised. Putting something along the lines, that in case they fail to return to the country, this might result in them getting a Rs10 million fine or making them sign a contract which forces them to return.

And Yashvin, did you notice that most people who get scholarship are those who don’t “need” the scholarship.
jt

Combien laureate ine vine bane gran gran personaliter?? Pass exams is one thing, and succeed in life is someth else…
RocketScientist (Kunal)

Yashvin I’m working with google this summer (GSoC google summer of code) and this enables me to strengthen my relationships with google and possibly land me a permanent fulltime job with them after I graduate. So you think that if I was given a scholarship and got the chance to work with a huge company, I would return to mauritius? Hahaha! Hell no!
http://shah.developer4ever.com Shah

If I had to issue the contract, I’d omit the “return” section. They should be able to do whatever they want to! The scholarship should be a gift IMO.

And I am guessing that they will be returning (not as tourists) then for they will feel the need to serve their country who granted them such an opportunity.
amishi

most laureates pa return maurice or they return 4 a certain amount of time,according to their ‘contract’. yashvin,government pa kpv fer plis ki sa contract la bcoz we live in democracy. its very disappointing bcoz fistly c ban tax payers ki in a way pay for these students ki pa pou fer narien 4 mauritius. e abt ban seki dnt need scholarship la bein li vrai but in a way they deserve it bcoz they’ve worked hard 4 it. however bizin ena some scholarships given to those who badly need it AND deserve it as well.

the one and only reason that they dnt return is that zot gagn a higher salary there. zot prefer sa ban pays la than maurice. seki zot pa realiser is that they should return to make mauritius a better countty. o lieu plaigner that maurice pena future,do smthing 4 it!!!
http://www.webdesign-bureau-of-mauritius.com Web Design Bureau of Mauritius

The bond is less than Rs.500 000 but for most of them, according to the jobs they get, they can pay that back in less than 6 months. Once again, the flaw of Mauritius is to give so much attention to the elite at one given moment and then forget about everything else. Anyway, the problem is not only money. The problem is brain drain. All the good abilities of Mauritius are leaking to other countries, especially when the country itself pays for maintaining these abilities.
http://www.studenteam.co.cc Nayar

Why scold these poor students who are fighting for there life while our Ministers are stealing by billions of rupees?
http://sjdvda.co.cc sjdvda

I think this decline in patriotism in this new generation is such a shame for our country, I know that better than most as I’m a patriot and a student.

At school when you ask people what they are planning to do in their lives, many of them reply: “moi kan mo fini lekol mo pe emigrer mo pe alle lot pays pou travail”. I have nothing against expatriates but I think the most intelligent Mauritians in this generation have left the country.

We only get stuck with the idiots who return to Mauritius to become politicians It’s so sad the direction our island is heading. I hope some of the laureates realise that they may have worked hard for their results but they also owe something to this country.
http://s4ndeep.wordpress.com Sun

They should return as patriots yes. But if they get a better job, a better salary elsewhere… why should they be patriots when 50%(local residents) arent.
http://www.studenteam.co.cc Nayar

Ok guys.
Please admit it.
You are jealous of the Laureats.
Ask yourself the question. “Should you be a laureat?” You would surely leave. And another guy would be posting this post on his blog and there would be other people complaining.

Thats what we call life!!!
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Sun : Exactly, who doesn’t want a better salary?
In that case, as discussed above, they SHOULD work for a certain number of yrs for the country to repay the due.
http://www.studenteam.co.cc Nayar

i agree upon the debp repaying thingy.

That would be fair
Nilesh

pou coummencer arrete envoye zot apprend lezot pays
d’apres ceki ministre ledukasyon in dire, l’universite maurice bon
arrete gaspille cash envoye zot apprend cambridge ou oxford
envoye zot UOM, coumsa zot pas pou bizin retourne moris
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Nayar : I ask you 1 question :

“If a few guys are walking away with millions of rupees, of your money, when your country needs people and this money, would you be telling all this?

or if you want, I ask it in another way :
I dont know which form you are:
Assume that UOM takes 10,000 candidates and you are the 10,001th.
You are kicked out, while other people are using this money for their benefit, instead of serving their country.
Wouldnt you prefer that these millions of rupees are used for the children of this country? and for your education?

Thanks for answering…
http://www.studenteam.co.cc Nayar

I just entered in Lower 6

I know as a mature person that Not returning to his country is an act of unloyalty and shame. And we all know that.

But you know, all of us has the dreamt of working at NASA or in Google and return to Mauritius temporarily just to make a show-off of the money we earnt.

For someone to take the decision of returning to Mauritius, he must extremely religios(or at least extremely justice doing person)
http://www.studenteam.co.cc Nayar

It is extremely difficult to overcome ones own ego
anonymous

all those benefiting from scholarships through the government of mauritius (most scholarships provided by foreign countries and common wealth go through) need to sign a bond worth R500000 thereby committing themselves to return to Mauritius immediately after completing their studies and work in the public or private sector for atleast 5 years. Extension of stay abroad should be approved by the government. But since the cost of the scholarship( including travel and living allowance) for laureates can cost around R2.5 million, paying back R500000 is not much.
My view: laureates should not consider the scholarships as a prize that they are entitled to. Rather, they should understand that it is an investment by the government for the country’s benefit.
While increasing the bond value is a reasonable option, laureates should not be awarded scholarships only because they are laureates. Instead they should go through interviews and detailing their future intentions (under oath?).
Yashi

Tushal,

“You do know that working in the medical field in Mauritius is one of the most highly paid job? I’m not referring to the public sector. No one asked them to work for hospitals. Anyway, not all doctors are good.”

So you think working in a mauritian hospital is better than working in a hospital abroad? Have you heard youself talking? Do you know what young mauritian doctors go through? I have friends who are harassed on a daily basis working in a mauritian hospital by specialists who would rather have you stamped on than let you flourish and develop. Yeah, you earn a lot too, if you are thinking about the salary only, then it’s quite stupid because they would earn 10 times more somewhere else. I am not talking about the pay, I am talking about the experience of working in a hospital in one of the most advanced countries in the world. I don’t think you should even attempt to compare the two. Put yourself in the place of the young medical graduate and tell me which one you would choose : a hospital in London or SSRN? If you tell me SSRN, you are lying! But then, if you want to involve patriotism in it, then that’s another matter, some people would want to work for their country even if they get a better offer in another country. That’s a different matter. But if doctors were given more development and given less rough treatment, who wouldn’t work in the paradise island of mauritius!

“Why do people think that Mauritius is not a great place to work? Jeez, are you people just stupid or ignorant of everything?”

It is a great place to work, if you have contacts! I have a friend, not a laureate but a brilliant actuarial student, he went back to mauritius to serve his country and is now working UNDER one of his friends at uni back here in the UK, who used to copy all his assgts and could only manage to pass 3-4 modules a year. This guy is working as his supervisor because he KNOWS the company director pretty well. I am not saying it’s the same for everyone, but you have to agree that a lot of top jobs in mauritius are steeped in corruption. Some private companies do offer good jobs, but most of them arent as professional as abroad, for e.g the awesome hedging practice of Air Mauritius, I also have a friend at SICOM who used to tell me that people at the top have to wait for something to go wrong before measures are taken. Mauritius is a great place to live in, but don’t be under the illusion that evrything is nice and rosy, it can be much better. In Mauritius, growth and development is always restricted, people are jealous of your progress and will do everything to halt it. There are some great places to work, but these are too few. And btw next time you qualify someone as being ignorant, open your eyes to the reality around you and jump off your high perch.

Anyway, with this global recession hitting the developed world quite strongly, and with the new UK immigration rules effectively ruling out people who aren’t multi-millionaires coming to study here, more people will stay in mauritius, which is a good thing. Forget the laureates, we don’t need laureates to help the country, it’s all those people who work hard but not quite satisfy erroneous and biased elitist standard who can make a difference.

Also, I think someone suggested it somewhere. I think laureates should be made to pay back the scholarship or a percentage of it if they don’t come back and work for atleast 5 years.
http://arvchandra.wordpress.com/ ArV

Ther actually is a bond on these scholarships. They usually are required to return back to the country and work for at least 5 years. i know coz at RCPL we were constantly reminded of that by teachers. But they also have the option of repayin the bond. I do not know if those conditions have been enforced though. Most laureates i know of never returned. even those ranked behind laureates dont return.

but then, the problem isnt really with the laureates, but with the mauritian mentality. Even if sum1 is cleaning the sewers in UK or france, the simple fact that they are working abroad qualifies them for undivided admiration. Its similar to the way mauritians treat doctors, sumtimes the treatment that my md frens get is totally hilarious.

cant really blame those kids, coz they are just a reflection of the society they grew up in, and it is a fact that mauritian society is ill. in a way, the mauritian dream is to get out of here, and for them, havin been able to acheive that dream, they dont wanna hav to return. but then, who would want to return to such a society where everything is run by corrupt politicians and however hard u work, its those who’r constantly licking their boots that progress?
Nilesh

franchement, kiken in guette ban piti kin gagne laureat sa ban dernier l’annee la???
zot tout zot parents capav payer pou envoye zot apprend dans l’universite de zot choix
alors kifer mauriciens bizin payer pou envoye zot apprend
pou ki dimoune riche vin encore plus riche
parceki zot p sorti avocat, docteur, etc.
donne la bourse lor critere social si zot envie donne la bourse
recompense ban zenfant ki p apprend, pas ban ki p prend 2/3 lecons par sujets et p recrache sa ki zot in apprend par coeur lor papier l’examen
Anon

You cannot force somebody to come back. The bond is one thing, Rs 500,000 is how much in dollars Euro 11,000 or some $16,000. This is maybe a year and a half of tuition and fees (those who are studying in Europe or the US please correct me if I am wrong).
So the whole package offered to a laureate is much larger.
A laureate has worked hard and Mauritius is doing the right thing by giving them the chance to study in prestigious universities. It will be nice if these people could come back and get a job meeting their professional qualifications.
But if they decide not to come back, they should be allowed to freely explore new horizons.
But they should return the money, not just the bond I believe. They should reimburse the money which should go toward funding the universities in Mauritius.
A scholarship is an investment that the country makes hoping to reap the fruit in the future. It is not “hedging” and the country should not keep bearing hedging losses.
UoM is already so competitive. I hope one day there will be a category of laureates who will have their studies funded so that they can attend the UoM. Utopia maybe But look at Singapore. I hope to live long enough to see the day when we will he at par with Singapore, UK, France and why not the US!

Glory to thee, Motherland or motherland of mine…
———————–
On a side note. When you stay away for a while from your home country, even a beer commercial can give you a nostalgic feeling
http://metalikacrew.com Joyshan

weh c`est malelver lol…i`ve read it,i think its from l`express samedi!
http://www.tushal.net Tushal

@Yashi–> I said NOT REFERRING TO PUBLIC SECTOR.. Please, double read my post. Thanks.And you know do what Air Mauritius is not the only company in Mauritius?
Cheers.

P:S The bond is not Rs500K.
http://dhaneesha.blogspot.com Dhaneesha

ur rite yash about wat you’ve said..

Unfortunately, as u already know, my 3 cuz(from the same house) were laureats and only 2 came back. chagrinant but he thinks he has been given a better opportunity there.

Dommage personne pan kpv faire li retourner, he is in london now, married to a Mauritian girl, who was also offered a scholarship to go to Australia for tertiary education. But the other 2 cuz, preferred to return and work for mauritius.

Hats off to all those students ki pense pou retourner apres zot l’etude
Yashi

Tushal
Most doctors in Mauritius work in the Public sector, that’s why I used that example. And I was just using 3 examples of private companies (not only Air Mauritius), the first one was British American Investments (I didnt mention the name actually), the second was Air Mauritius and the third SICOM.

Also, I am not saying Mauritius is not a good place to work. It’s a great place to work and live, I am just saying that, when presented with the option of working abroad, you can’t fault people for choosing what is better for their career. I would rather take the opportunity to develop in a professional and helpful company than join a company where people will be cursing me if I make any kind of progress. Of course, this doesn’t apply to ALL companies, but it does for too many companies.
Bhooks

They’ve worked their arse to be laureate today. Many of you did compete for these scholarship while doing HSC. So F’ck You. P.E.R.I.O.D.
anonymous

@Tushal, the bond is 500k, i have an original of that famous document but unfortunately not enough time and equipment for the scanning. COuld you please elaborate how come you are so sure about it not being 500k?
Reena DKL

Yashvin, though I understand your point of view, I’d like to add that even if they do come back to Mauritius, do you think it will help the country? What will they get in return? All the persons appointed at high paid posts in the country are either stupid a@#holes who are parent with x or y minister or belong to this or that community.

Sincerely, I do not believe they will ever achieve anything by returning back to the country…I would not if I was one of them.

Now about the money thing, well so what? The government is already paying for the “folies” of certain political agents, ministers and realatives, then why can’t they jut give them the money and let them at least get out of this gutter hole we call our country.

Am so sorry to say this, but I was so very fond and proud of my island until some political leaders turned it into a bloody hell…murder, rape, incest and so many other crimes have rised so mauch lately…and why? Just because some stupid ministers can’t re-inforce the law with severe punishments…

Bof! What is the real future of a laureate here? Let the country at least pay them to a better life and future…

P.S Yes I am sad they do not come back with their precious knowledge, but then again, who will listen to them??? Our political leaders..my foot!
los_dinamiteros

Bonzour

D’abords si n piti ine vine lauréats, li assez normale ki li bizin gagne encouragement govt, li meilleur dans so domaine dans Moris! Astere apres so l’étude si par ex li p gagne 10000 euros en europe et 40000 rs roupie moris, désolé mais les comptes sont vite-faits. Appel zot hypocrites, appel zot ‘UNLOYAL’, appel zot namac charaam, mais mo pret à parier ki la plispart d’entre nous ti pou fer pareil…

Certe, ma pensée sur le genre humain est péssimiste, néanmoins c’est la vérité de sa nature. Ah j’y pense, par ex un étudiant super intélligent ayant fait des études jusqu’à la thèse ( en d’autre mots, il est arrivé à la limite entre la connaisance et l’ignorance dans son domaine) et qui n’est pas motivé par l’argent, mais par la passion de son travail. S’il reste à l’étranger, il aura accés au labos compétents. Mais s’il rentre, il aura au mieux un poste de consultant… Encore une fois le choix est vite fait.

Enfin, pour finir, avant de juger qq’un, pensez à ce que vous auriez fait à sa place.
Jumping Turtle

d apres ceki mo p lire, mo gagne l impression ki d apres zot tou, tou bane elite de l ile morice bizin kitter aller, et laisse morice a la derive? donc ceki claire dans zot reaction ceki , bane dimoune moyen dan morice( i mean moyen kan zot ti fer hsc) bizin reste dan morice travay, paye tax et help bane elite kitte pays aller, et laisse nou ek nou ti morice a la derive??
TL

c pas la faute au laureats. c plutot govt ki bizin blamer a coz tous sa l’annee ki ine passer la, zot conner ki la majorite bane laureat ki alle study overseas, pa retourne maurice..MAIS zot pa fer kitchose pou sa..pa vine mention bond de +- rs500k – c ene joke
http://reenadkl.blogspot.com Reena DKL

Bof..

I don’t think that there is a ny potential for them here.

FOR EXAMPLE: If you are super intelligent, very poor and become a laureate. You have the chance of your life to study ina prestigious university and TADA! You get the job you dreamt of: at the NASA! Wow! Yet you are a Mauritian at heart and decide to return back. The only NASA like we have here is AIR MAURITIUS (TRR…LOL!). Et la aussi!!! You won’t get the job unless you are the nephew or niece of X, Y or Z…and if you do get a job it won’t ever be of any level near what you deserve, plus the salary will be be extremely below what the other uncapable, unfit, a@#holes are getting for doing nothing…

You tell me…that girl whose father is a macatia merchant said that working hard to a laureate was the only possibility for her to go study abroad in a prestigious university…I don’t blame her if she stays there..it’s an opportnity…

I think if the Government gives them reason enough to come back, they will…
http://reenadkl.blogspot.com Reena DKL

p.s THE girl did not say she will stay there…am simply saying that IF she wants to..am not gonna blame her..
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Indeed a very difficult situation and I think there should be authority to enter the position of students as they will be better!
http://www.saileshdesigns.com Sailesh

WOW!!! sa topic la impe hot ein ena dimoune so opinion mari hot :S
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@All :

Nice post indeed, first time I am visiting this blog, keep it up!

kidding lol…

I clearly respect the opinion of each of you here.

Just a few lines to react to some of the comments posted here

- Its evident that most of us find that the amount repaid back is really “peanuts” compared to the amount given in the scholarship.

- As Anony clearly wrote above, the country INVESTED in them.

- They ARE surely the best in their fields

- As a patriot, they should share their knowledge in their country for at least a few years.

- I think it is natural for anyone to go for a country and a job with higher prospect, but again, serving his/her country for a few years will show their gratitude towards the people living here.

- The money invested in those “who left the ship” would have been of greater benefit to the children of the country.

- Coming back to the country does not imply that you should work for the government (kot bisin kone ministre). The private sectors are here, paying much more than the public one.

Thanks a lot for your comments!

Long Live Mauritius!
http://reenadkl.blogspot.com Reena DKL

Hmm…

Just name me five past laureates who have been employed in either public or private sector and who are given their due…

I have laureate in the family and to tell you the truth, she is here in Mauritius and I think i know what am talking about.
Nilesh

i find it amusing that no one has noticed a certain trend these last years concerning laureates.
most of them come from high earning families, took 2 or more tuitions per subject from “high profile” teachers, all of this because their parents could afford it.

what about the poor kids, whose’s parents cant pay for tuitions, who spent his time working hard and got good results but cant continue to university because of lack of money, he’ll end up a “mason” or something else. although we really need people with manual skills, that would be a total waste of the kid’s true potential

if you really want to reward rich kids who learned everything by heart and just wrote it all down on their exam papers and earned great marks, just give them a shiny medal and that’s the end of it.
give them something they can show latter on their CV
they get a scholarship, where they’ll be sitting on their a**es for 3 years because taxpayers are paying for their education(where’s the spending time working to earn some money)
I’ve met those kids abroad and that’s exactly what they do

if you really want to spend tax money on education, use it to pay for people who cant afford tertiary education

a kid’s education abroad today cost around 2 million rupees per year(UK,US), so 3 years will be 6 million and if they break the bond, we only get 500000 back, there must be some kind of joke somewhere that i’m not getting
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@ Nilesh :

I wish to lay more emphasis on the fact that they are not all from rich families, as you just said above.
I find it a pride, much more than a pride, when a laureate comes from a middle class family…
These scholarships should be for these people, they are the future, they know how life is difficult in Mauritius and THEY WILL WORK FOR THE COUNTRY.

Congrats once more to them, and each year, they are a few to succeed in reaching the top!
http://hackers.mu selven

its simple,

They’ve worked for it, they deserve it [even if the system is screwed up in the first place itself, the way laureates are chosen is biased and flawed]

They’ve worked for it, they deserve it.

IF [ They refund back the money After some years set by the Gov ]

I believe it is ethically correct for them to stay where they want and do whatever they wish to.

ELSE

It is immoral that that run away with the country’s tax money without coming back to work for some years specified by the country.

All other logic fails before this, if you do manage to logically counter this, then i’ll reply.
If your logic is based on emotions/biased feelings coz you were not a laureates OR have someone who missed an opportunity/ Or you are a laureate who doesn’t wish to pay back just coz you want more and more money, then don’t even bother about waiting a reply from me.

=)
Have a nice day.

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Yashi

lol selven, this is not a competition, you won’t win a scholarship if no-one manages to counter you lol you will notice that what you said and what Yashvin broadly summarises the overall sentiment here…
http://nussaibah.wordpress.com bbZuSh

Wow! Last time I read this topic, there was only one or two comments xD

Retuning or not, that is one great question we all go over. I don’t think they should be blamed for what they are choosing, humans are selfish by nature, they are going to choose what they want rather than seeing whether others need them or not. To tell you the truth, I don’t blame them, else I should start with myself. I am planning to go abroad for studies, but if I come back, as my friend said, “mo pour mort chomeur”.

It is also true that some of the people who are laureates can, well, pay for their own studies, but for those who are not that well off, becoming a laureate is kinda a step to making their dreams come true, and sometimes not even that is enough. I’ve seen many laureates who actually refused the scholarship because the money given wasn’t enough to pay for their studies.

To come back to make Mauritius a better place to live in. Here, it’s so corrupted that unless you are the relative of I dunno who, you can’t do anything. Life will continue as it is because “they” wish you, and who are us, powerless ones, to say otherwise. The Mauritian mentality is such that change is not never accepted.

Some said that scholarships should be offered for UoM instead of letting those people go abroad and losing them. The laureates and the ones who are ranked after them do not have to pay to pursue their studies at UoM, they only have to pay part of the admission fee.

I might seem that I am for them not returning back, but I don’t think anyone has a say in the matter because most of us would choose a selfish option.
Bernardo

About scholarship:

There are many types of scholarships. Please check themout.

I think the scholarships awarded by the Government of Mauritius (GoM) to laureates are Merit Scholarships. These are determined by performance. The higher you perform, the greater the scholarship. Now it’s not right to mix Need scholarship, Sociology scholarships and Merit scholarship. What the GoV is trying to do is to produce highly talented individuals and statistically speaking, training the brightest young people (~18 yrs) in the best and most prestigious universities around the world will most probably help them achieve this.(and Yes the name of a University matters)

That said, i believe we lack Need and Sociology scholarships.

About Patriotism:

I read from someone’s post that it’d OK for a scholar to prefer work in an abroad hospital rather that in Mauritius. I believe this is COMPLETELY wrong. Is treating foreign people more important (as lucrative) than treating your fellow Mauritians??? In many countries military service is compulsory. A 5 year public service in Mauritius should be as compulsory. Scholars should not be able to buy their way out of the GoM contract unless a serious investigation is made and the “bail out” is officially approved.

About studying abroad:

In another post i read that studying in Mauritius should be enough for the top HSC students. This is another statement i believe is WRONG (with all due respect to UOM). The experience of studying in a foreign country, of living that foreign life, of experiencing that foreign culture is priceless and incomparable with staying and studying on a remote island. You can’t expect possible future leaders to govern their country without knowing FOR REAL what’s outside Mauritius…without understanding and appreciating the differences between different cultures…

my 2 cents…
B.
Nilesh

sorry yash
but just look at the stats
middle class families have been out of the race since our days
and there are still too few of them reaching the top
http://hackers.mu selven

@Yashi
LOL :p i think you don’t know who i am =), i don’t need an hsc scholarship i believe =)

secondly yashi… if i quote what yashvin said

If some of them (or even you) reply that its with their hard work that they achieved that, then they should not have competed to obtain a scholarship, CONTRIBUTED by Mauritians!

and you said

lol you will notice that what you said and what Yashvin broadly summarises the overall sentiment here…

Nopes, Doesn’t seem that we are in phase =)

He doesn’t seem to go for the line that “they’ve worked for it”, but rather, “we’ve shown mercy on em”…. which is false, we have in no way shown any mercy on em, we have considered em as wild horses with potential, we’ve indirectly placed bets on em, they won the rights to have some amount of “special treatments” until they become “great race horses”, and until the big race day, you can’t do anything about “the horse” that doesn’t want to run for you when the the race starts.

You can’t move back in time, maybe you will probably want to “kill” it [like we are doing] out of rage [which will not be profitable for anybody], or you ask for your money back for all these years spent on it.

No, its not just your money back that you have got back, you still get the free ads when it wins in whatever stable it chose to run for… coz in the end, people will know … “that horse is from X”, for a small country that really needs some help, this is a good thing.

@bbzush

becoming a laureate is kinda a step to making their dreams come true, and sometimes not even that is enough.

Exactly! which is why it is nice to have scholarships. And to be neutral, we can’t differentiate between rich an poor, all shall be treated equally. Which is why i mean, after some time, if the laureate decides to never come back, there should be a strict legal terms that forces them to pay back.. without interest what they took =) (else you are no different than a bank).

Here, it’s so corrupted that unless you are the relative of I dunno who, you can’t do anything.Life will continue as it is because “they” wish you, and who are us, powerless ones, to say otherwise. The Mauritian mentality is such that change is not never accepted.

Exactly! mo apel sa mentalitE koson! lol

I might seem that I am for them not returning back, but I don’t think anyone has a say in the matter because most of us would choose a selfish option.

This is not mostly about money or selfishness, its mostly about ethics and freedom, probably there seems to be a conflict between freedom and ethics here. The easiest and most logical way out is to just let the person/laureate refund back the money after some years [i.e you are free to do whatever you want until 5 years after your studies ended, after which if you haven't returned back the money and you are still M.I.A, you shall be sued for stealing the countries resource... pay it within say those 5 years, and continue on enjoying your freedom.]

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Yashi

Selven,

I meant what you said AND ,on a separate note, what Yashvin said summarises what everyone else has said, i don’t mean you and yashvin said the same thing…
http://www.islandcrisis.net Kurt Avish

“”selven said:

@Yashi
LOL :p i think you don’t know who i am =), i don’t need an hsc scholarship i believe =)”"”

haahaha : the man with two weird wings and a suitcase in his hand **kidding**
http://hackers.mu selven

lol =).

but just look at the stats
middle class families have been out of the race since our days
and there are still too few of them reaching the top

@ nilesh, you are very right!

i believe coz it is just the education system itself being flawed [favoring people who learns like parrot, rather than those who can reason]. THOUGH there are people who have good reasoning who also manage to get their way through the system.

Another thing to note is that, people tend to be dependant on that culture of corruption. “X is my son, so he gets to work there”.

Things will go logically only if children themselves manage to have ethics and refuse what their dad/mom offers them [when it is unethical]. Because, all parents are selfish when it comes to the future of their children…
Vik

I don’t think what you have said makes any sense. You show high level of stunch and bias. I wonder why some people will leave the lands of meritocracy to return to Mauritius where there is always corruption and political backing prevailing. Despite haiving learnt so much, they will come back and work under some politically well backed noob suppressing their talent. At least, abroad, they can work to their fullest and be recognised for that, making Mauritius, in itself as a nation, famous and pride.

And you stated, ‘money of Mauritians’. They are Mauritians and they contributed just like you in that so your assertion is baseless.
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Vit : Oh, they contributed? I guess it is by taking the money away for their own benefit, forgetting the country?

What is more important? make the country progress or make it famous?
Vik

You are only trying to prove something without having a vision. If for you that is the meaning of contribution, so be it then. I won’t argue on that.
The issue is debatable and each one will defend himself by his/her own means. If you earned something by your efforts, the reward is yours only. No one will cast his/her eyes on that; in fact, no one really has the rights. I would only urge you to do some research about the scholarship awarded by Government of Mauritius; you might find that you are arguing for nothing. If you are so interested to make the country progress, go first fight the corruption out there and then point fingers at people who want to make themselves a notable individual. If you can only find a solution to the problem of political backing, there will be an awesome lot of those laureates who will return to Mauritius.

Why are you putting all the responsibilities of national progress on their shoulders only. I believe that as a responsible citizen, you too should march forward with the real patriotic effervescence and make the progress a reality (as I believe you have used patriotism somewhere around up there).
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Vik : Its your point of view… I respect it…
Tell me something, you are talking about progress, patriotic effervescence and responsible citizen, I wonder why your IP shows a foreign country ^o)
Anyways, thnks for ur comment.
Vik

Yea am studying abroad. I am paying a lot to study and am doing my part in the progress phenomenon. Now, after I graduate I shall see the role of the Mauritian Government and political backing in their part of the progress. No need to be in the motherland, to be patriotic.
ReenaDKL

Selven wrote:
Things will go logically only if children themselves manage to have ethics and refuse what their dad/mom offers them [when it is unethical]. Because, all parents are selfish when it comes to the future of their children…

I agree with you on this point. I for one never let my family push me into something just because we are related to X, Y or Z. I was always against it and will teach my kids that… Mais bon! Mauritius is corrupted and nothing will change for at least 10 years…at least..I try to do my little bit though…
http://hackers.mu selven

they will come back and work under some politically well backed noob suppressing their talent. At least, abroad, they can work to their fullest and be recognised for that, making Mauritius, in itself as a nation, famous and pride.

Yashvin, vik is right about this, many of us have seen how this thing works here, you are only lying to yourself saying that there is no corruption and no n00b will be ruling over em.

Secondly, its not that laureates should feel any way superior :p, they just got a scholarship, end of story, they deserve it, they should hae the right to work in another country if they refund back the money to their country later on [without interest] if they decide not to come back.

The idea is, they are still working for the country even if they are away, getting the country famous is better than working for the country.

Consider someone coming back and working for the country, its the state that will be paying the guy/gal mostly, what does this bring to the country? some expertise?

Now, suppose the guy went to work somewhere, made a huge name there, people will know “heh he is from mauritius”, there’ll be some few companies who might be interested, probably wondering “that country is mostly in trouble, probably there might be other brains like that there, if we invest there, we might be lucky enough to fish out some few like him/her.. so let’s try to have a branch there… in the end this is more profitable.

Trust me, having someone incompetent working over you just because the latter has connections is enough to turn someone into a murderer or a goon, alor ki serti?

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ReenaDKL

Lol! Selven, you are right..I think what we see in Hindi movies are not that far from the painful truth. I know so many people who desserve to be promoted, but are not because X or Y’s son/daughter, nephew or niece is given th eplace.

I know an ex-deputy of Moka Flacq who gave work to his friend’(useless, almost unedeucated) daughters work at Air mauritius. One was even an air hostess…pff!!! Made me red with anger…(pas surprenant Air Mauritius pe couler! lol!)

Anyway, life here is like this..I do have hope though that one day we shall make a difference with our thoughts and actions….
RocketScientist (Kunal)

Somebody in this thread said not to waste money on univ abroad and send their children to UoM instead… thats a fucking joke right?

There are only 2 things that are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity! For someone to say send their children to UoM instead, that person must be the biggest moron of all time.
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Kunal : Pas d’accord di tout r twa, et dimoune pu zour toi lol!

Mo pas ti uom mwa? alors…
meme toi to ti uom! lol, mais tone sover

aller, craze li bane uomiens!
http://hackers.mu selven

its not about whether you need to force people or not to be at uom… its a matter of freedom, you agree to sponsor the kid for a univ when he wins a scholarship, a word is a word, and you can’t force him in a place which he doesn’t like!

and stop saying that laureates are elites and almighty… that’s false =D i know a lot of laureates who just are plain idiots compared to me [whether you like it or not :p]. Hell I know dudes who have never done any univ and yet IS AMONG THE BEST i’ve known! So??? still arguing about elites?

The thing is, they’ve worked for that hsc exams and played the game of the system, and hence they deserve their scholarship and its fairly logical that they will not want to be working under a moron when they come back. This is understandable and frankly, i don’t see the fuss about all this.

THIS MONEY IS NOT ANYONE’S IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.

and spending it on laureates is a GOOD thing, because, it is in some way encouraging people to work!
Sure, mainly rich dudes profit from that, but ATLEAST it is a way out for atleast one poor person or two. And no, you can’t say you’ll provide the scholarship for only people having X amount of money, BECAUSE this is not fair, in a fair system, we don’t judge people based on their financial situation, color, race, creed etc.., this applies for the rich and the poor equally.
http://watch-3-football.blogspot.com/ CR7

The grass is never greener elsewhere!

Lets take a deeper look at it. After completion of their studies abroad, they want to work at the best job they get abroad. They will get paid way much than here. fine. But then, its not the same life there. you wont have the seaside parties you would have here, no family gatherings, no mauritian palabs, overall no sense of belonging. Does money mean everything? Of course the other things do not really matter to geeks. lol.
Generally, wiser move would be to return back to mauritius. But if they do not want to return, better for me! you leaving your part of cake for me man.. more for me. more opportunities, more space in nature, everything..

My 2cents to the Laureates: GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE IF YOU WANT TO! – Coz NOBODY is Irreplaceable!

Free Football Matches Live – Spain vs England tonite!
http://hackers.mu selven

There seems to be a sense of hatred against laureates here…

is that coz some of your feel inferior to laureates and hence counter this effect by showing a large dose of illogical frustrations….
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@selven : lol, not exactly, not from me though. even I wrote this post.
As I have clearly mentioned : the main issue is the money (millions) going far from the country’s tax payers.
RocketScientist (Kunal)

@Yashvin: LOL oui daccord mais problem ki mo ena ek UoM c’est ki zot encore doie moi Rs 500!!!! Banne ggt la!!! Ek satan so kaka fes offspring of a horse la ti mari beze moi sa!!! Apres tout mo ti passe ene bon moment UoM ek zot lol

@CR7: Theres no cake in mtius and neither are there opportunities.
http://hackers.mu selven

@selven : lol, not exactly, not from me though. even I wrote this post.

didn’t mean you :p.

Ek satan so kaka fes offspring of a horse

huh??
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

lolz !! yea… u wrote bout it .. but I was much more harsh ! lolz..

however, for the comments .. I guess ther’s only 1 fing people aint understanding YET !

Government give rs150million to around 25 laureates..
University of Mauritius Fees are around rs 12k to 15k !! ..
Thats 10,000 student fees of University Of mauritius! .. Meaning if that money wasn’t given to those nerdies.. 10,000 kids would have had university education FREE !!!
Many students think twice now, even going to univ or start working .. simply because they dunt have enuf money even to pay for the application fees !!

+Neways .. the laureats even if they are not given state bursaries, their results are good enuf to obtain personal bursaries from many universities !! ..

U can check ma article too guys ..
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/hsc-results-2008-2009-hsc-hypocrisy.html
u will loooove it ! lolzzz..
Prince Of Port Louis
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

@selven – “its fairly logical that they will not want to be working under a moron when they come back.”

U taking mauritians for morons dude ??

“THIS MONEY IS NOT ANYONE’S IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.”

false, it is by 400k mauritians to 25 persons who wont come back to mauritius, it would be fair only if it was BY 400K to 10k students..all given free education at UoM or Utm

“And no, you can’t say you’ll provide the scholarship for only people having X amount of money, BECAUSE this is not fair, in a fair system, we don’t judge people based on their financial situation, color, race, creed etc..,”

fair = juste.. u r wrong again.. what is more juste than to help the poor and those people whose births havent gifted them with rich families ??? color, race and all that i dunt think were included… by the financial point is very important..
In a fair system, the government help the poor
http://hackers.mu selven

U taking mauritians for morons dude ??

=) i am a mauritian living in mauritius … and i am not wrong when i say that many high ranked people are present there just because of political affiliation without a strong knowledge based selection ever made…. DUDE.

false, it is by 400k mauritians to 25 persons who wont come back to mauritius, it would be fair only if it was BY 400K to 10k students..all given free education at UoM or Utm

False, when the mauritians pay their taxes and elect somebody [a government], is supposed to manage those resources… and by voting, those thousands of mauritians are in a way saying “we want this”.

Secondly, this is a bit like the lottery system, everyone buys a lottery, say for Rs.5, if everyone wanted to get back his Rs.5 at the end of the day… there’s no gain, no one will ever win….
We are just concentrating resource on (i hate this term) “the winners” of some exams, so as we can finance their education, coz one way of the other, we will still be making profits… nothing ventured, nothing gained. Sure you will say no body is irreplaceable, i on in phase with that, but its just that you people agree that this system is A KNOWLEDGE testing factor [even if IT ISN'T] and you prefer to consider laureates as “the cream of the cream”, so you need to finance “the cream of the cream”… if the system was better and near perfect, even then you would have had to finance whoever excels at your system of education.

Thats 10,000 student fees of University Of mauritius! .. Meaning if that money wasn’t given to those nerdies.. 10,000 kids would have had university education FREE !!!

University isn’t for everyone.. many go there just to loiter around, have fun, waste the tax payers money without really becoming productive.
Those who wish to learn something will most probably love it, and are the one we want there… maybe an entry exams?? [field based?]

As far as i know, the government provide supports for families in financial difficulties when it comes to paying univ fees.

Uom is still free… the entrance fee has exorbitantly increased [weirdly even if their has been a rise in intake].. which makes no sense… Not having that entrance fee probably you would have seen anyone registering in the uom to probably get a bus pass? have a look here and there for a chick to screw up around? spend more time doing nothing?

till you agree with this education system, you have to agree with laureates being awarded scholarships…
They running away is ok, AS LONG AS, after X years, they return the money WITHOUT interest, Else work in your country… its not restrictive…. You don’t award somebody something to restrain him… If the guy didn’t study crap and spoil his life with boring shit, those 400k people you are saying wouldn’t have given him that scholarship, he made effort for that, and its unfair that now that effort be rewarded by a sort of “small characters in the devil’s agreement paper” that’s gonna screw him up later on and make him be forced to gamble his future.. because he has no idea how in some years the government sector will be….

In a fair system, the government help the poor

In a fair system, you treat everybody EQUALLY, You can’t use emotions to cloud your judgement… a poor man and a rich man you have to view both of them equally and treat em equally.

an analogy will be…

a rich man enters your office, you don’t offer him a tea, because he is rich and you don’t like the rich.

A poor man comes in your office, you offer him a tea, because you like helping the poor…

that’s being unfair and “get deux maniere”.

You can’t see the poor one as lower than the richer one, par exemple nou premier ministre ki souvent dire “bann ti dimoune”, mais mo demann moi ki li prend li? Grand dimoune??? That’s a form of discrimination… you should treat all(human) as human/dimoune/entities etc..

I personally were I classified as “ti dimoune”, i would’ve been really pissed off and show the person where he stands in my eye.

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http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

dude i was really pheeewwww about ur post.. thats damn extreme !!

In mauritius shall you know it ! People dont elect politicians on the programme basis but on the deksi, caraille , tshirt , tempo whatever they get for the elections !!

Ther is always a change, whoever we elect. The system was like that. The government should always enovate so as to help the poor people. Neways .. aint the government a sooo called “alliance sociale”

Thers is no equality basis, their is justice, duno where u come up with equality!! equal rights yes, but JUSTICE is the topmost priority. Everyone has free education for primary and secondary. Thats justice & EQUALITY, right!!
Everyone GETS FREE EDUCATION FOR UNIVERSITY.. aint that JUSTICE & EQUALITY ??

I dunt understand your point in saying university is not made for all.. University is just another step in education !
college is also not made for all.. if thats ur way to think ?
coz students who fail cpe .. would WASTE tax payers money if they go to college !! in ur line of thought !! Sorry, but that’s damn stupid.

Ther is no 2 ways of seeing a person.. treating someone as ti dimune is discrimination. BUT thats not what we are talking about.

Someone is POOR , He IS POOR !! u cannot lay a blind eye on his financial situation.. ek apres dia li.. aber kifaire to pane alle universiter twa.. to p alle travay 16ans meme!!

We are a developing nation.. we cannot remain developing.. we should become developed country.. and for that.. we should give education to our people…and IF THEY ARE POOR AND CANNOT AFFORD EDUCATION.
WE SHOULD GIVE THEM EDUCATION FREELY.

EVEN BE IT AT THE EXPENSE OF 25 PERSONS, IF 10000 GETS FREE EDUCATION.. I FINK THAT THE 25 PERSONS CAN BE PISSED OFF FOR ONCE…
NEWAYS .. DOESNT THE GOVERNMENT PISS OFF 125000 CHILDREN WITH HIS EDUCATION REFORMS EACH .. .

SOOooo.. WHAT IS 25 children being pissed off more ??

Honestly, with ur way of thiinking, their will be no JUSTICE ,and with your way of thinking, poor persons will always remain except a 1 or 2 on 8000.. who happen to become laureat ..
This is not Mauritius .. “in peace, JUSTICE and liberty…” AINT THAT OUR NATIONAL ANTHEME ??? cannot see EQUALITY DEDANS!!
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

Replying to selven’s “arguments”

“a rich man enters your office, you don’t offer him a tea, because he is rich and you don’t like the rich.A poor man comes in your office, you offer him a tea, because you like helping the poor…” -
The poor man has probably not had tea for days and even prolly weeks with the increase of the price of milk.. whereas the rich man has !!
The poor man prolly has been making sacrifices and many of them, i have known, eat at nite and nothing during the day.. and even at nite sometimes.. eat bread with water !! If you are sooo unhumanly..

I WONT REPLY TO U ANYMORE.. I PREFER TALKING TO HUMANS WHO HAVE HEARTS.. COZ IF U CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS.. U prolly wont understand any of ma points pertaining to human dignity and also humanity. which is a notion which u r very unfamiliar with.
And For making Justice, u should have Humanity.

The children in ZEP school, do u fink they bother about being treated like rich children ? or poor children ??
as long as they get their bread and milk and cheese at school.. having read ur arguments, i deduce that u would b against treating children like in ZEP school differently from children in normal government schools.. meaning ZEP school children should not be given food anymore..

You should follow ur argument till the end dude.

u made urself very clear. And i hate that mentality or “craze dimune pov” or “pov bizen rest pov ek riss vine pli riss”

When live has made 2 persons different, we should treat them differently… when someone kills, rapes ur daughter.. treat him like a friend and invite him over for diner at ur place.

When someone is poor, it is a fact. We should help him, give him financial help and also be more humane to him .. because someone who has financial problems most of the time is also mentally affected.. unlike someone rich.. a moins .. saki “gagne lottery (hsc)”..lerla vine fou!

+out of the 8000 students at uom.. mite be they loiter around, mite be they flirt, mite be they drink, mite b they party a lot..
but in the end, they also study and get their degrees..
And degrees at the UoM.. specially for Engineering are not given to anyone.. i can assure u that.
And also .. flirting , enjoying life.. is part of university life.. be it in mauritius or abroad.. thers a time for classes and a time for friends and life !!

+ur soidisant lottery and ur hsc.. !! it is a programme of study which i am totally against.. it doesnt prone the development of the children and make them open minded enuf whereas IB would b a much nicer alternative.. with subjects like philosophy !!

+u r sooo much defending those 25 laureats and their lottery.. shouldnt the 7975 students be awarded prizes tooo ?? for their efforts..

HSC – Hypocrite Society Control – Thats what it is to me.. The rich persons will always get their children to have damn good results and go to super top universities.. and then stay abroad and amass large sums of money .. and come back to reign on the islanders..
Which makes me remember Our King of The day !!
http://hackers.mu selven

In mauritius shall you know it ! People dont elect politicians on the programme basis but on the deksi, caraille , tshirt , tempo whatever they get for the elections !!

sure… but we need to apply the rules of the perfect system, so as by suffering people will understand what it is about.

The system was like that. The government should always enovate so as to help the poor people

In a perfect system, the government has to be impartial and help THE PEOPLE, and not “the poor people”. EVERYONE must be helped :p. Sure you might say.. but we are not in a perfect system? … but if we don’t think in a perfect way, we shall never evolve to make the system perfect… [note by perfect i mean near perfect].

Everyone has free education for primary and secondary. Thats justice & EQUALITY, right!!
Everyone GETS FREE EDUCATION FOR UNIVERSITY.. aint that JUSTICE & EQUALITY ??

That’s illogical what you said, Everyone are given the same start [sure those being richer get more... there's a flaw in the education system itself. Giving everyone the opportunity is justice and equality, but if you don't have the aptitude for doing something, you can't provide everyone access to it... everyone with the aptitude has access to it [note that here again, there's a flaw in the way they try to find the aptitude of somebody...].

The right way to say it… “everyone worthy* gets the same chance and opportunities”.

(*worthy: here again, i mean whether they are meant to be in a field of not.. someone who doesn’t know how to read and write doesn’t mean he is not worthy… he just is good for something else.. par exemple, many can’t understand your car mechanics as well as your mechanic.)

Neways .. aint the government a sooo called “alliance sociale”

:p the name of a political paty is meant to make people feel part of it [or concerned]. its like the packaging of of say.. a chocolate, say for nestle’s chocolate stuff, on the packaging there is a jug of milk being poured into creamy chocolate… but then, is there a jug in the chocolate? nope.. its there just to make the chocolate appear more appealing.. similarly the name of any political party.

University is just another step in education !
college is also not made for all.. if thats ur way to think ?
coz students who fail cpe .. would WASTE tax payers money if they go to college !! in ur line of thought !! Sorry, but that’s damn stupid.

LOL :p you’ve hit the interesting part…

Yes, that’s how i think it is… BUT, you can’t prevent someone from accessing college, because it is a place where you have general knowledge about things, and students are too young to be tested for anything at CPE level. [hell those exams are flawed and tests nothing other than just looking out for parrot learners.]

:p weirdly, i have never mentioned that students who go to college will waste tax payers money… don’t read in between lines :p.

For for a university this applies… sure you can also do it the french way, get everyone to join in, and make the exams really tough and kick out failures at the end of the year.. but then, i prefer to find another way… to test people for their real aptitudes… using unbiased tests [instead of judging by marks from weird exams..]

Yes univ needs to be restricted… univ isn’t a place where you are supposed to go sit and listen to the dude explaining thing… at univ you are to learn by yourself, and univ is supposed to be a temple of knowledge where everyone share knowledge in between, now place a few people who don’t have any interest in the subject matter… imagine how “gay” they will start to find it that people are talking about research stuffs together probably they’ll just start getting bored and make noise and disturb the whole class?? or just sit there doing nothing wasting tax payers money… while they could have on the other hand get a course paid by the government that they like or take a loan from the government to start a business they like or do something constructive with the tax payers money.

If you don’t believe that a university is such a place… then you better learn a bit about the history of university. Its a place where academics come together and share ideas.

Besides, you are not really restricting anybody from knowledge if you don’t offer them a seat at the university… there are so many ways to learn something…

Someone is POOR , He IS POOR !! u cannot lay a blind eye on his financial situation.. ek apres dia li.. aber kifaire to pane alle universiter twa.. to p alle travay 16ans meme!!

As far as i know… education is still free in mauritius… even university… the small amount of money spent on univ, the rs.18k something for 1 year is just insignificant compared to the real value you have to pay… this is in a way to prevent as i said.. people to join in an do nothing other than for the reasons i mentionned above [read the part where i said about bus card etc..].

Didn’t you know that the government offers loan for people having salary less than a certain amount of money… and REFUNDS for people having salary less than a certain amount those with only 1 surviving parent also benefit from that. so?

WE SHOULD GIVE THEM EDUCATION FREELY.

Education isn’t free in mauritius??

You mean to say poor people can’t go to univ?
i said they have refund, loans etc.. they better have a good excuse not to go if they are good.

And yes, there are people who don’t go to further studies because they are poor.. and it has got nothing to do with the fees DUDE… use your brain,
IF there’s a refund of fees or loan Fees isn’t a problem! The problem is, the guy feel he has to work to make his family live properly… and if you wish to give that opportunity to this guy to study, you need to give him an allowance monthly, something that will be like a salary of someone of his age… this is one good thing, allowance for students is good, but can the country support that? cutting financial supports to laureates will not be able to cope for that….
at least the scholarship is a WAY out, because it provides an allowance… hence some poor guy winning it has just got a way out!

another thing, yes the scholarship system is good, but the way the education system tests for “good” students is wrong

EVEN BE IT AT THE EXPENSE OF 25 PERSONS, IF 10000 GETS FREE EDUCATION.. I FINK THAT THE 25 PERSONS CAN BE PISSED OFF FOR ONCE…

what do you mean by FREE education, please expand?

:p please don’t use SMS kind of language… it is a pain to read :p

Same for SHOUTS, :p i can read lower case also :p.

DOESNT THE GOVERNMENT PISS OFF 125000 CHILDREN WITH HIS EDUCATION REFORMS EACH .. .

125000 children should let their voice heard when they get pissed off.. pfft they never do any student revolution here.

Honestly, with ur way of thiinking, their will be no JUSTICE ,and with your way of thinking, poor persons will always remain except a 1 or 2 on 8000.. who happen to become laureat ..

As always, my way of thinking is just awesome =) it seems to me that you didn’t care to read my previous posts before replying.
If logically you say one or two poor person will be advantageous on this and that mostly the rich are enjoying this… then you should have realized by now that … in no way this is the fault of the scholarship system…. it is the fault of the education system… this hsc thing :p.
This learn by heart thing. This immature kind of reasoning saying that getting AAAAA means perfection … when the guy might have no clue what X is used for in real life even if he knows by heart that X is made up of atoms. Or how he can use X for some other purpose not defined in a book… no reasoning is used.

This is not Mauritius .. “in peace, JUSTICE and liberty…” AINT THAT OUR NATIONAL ANTHEME ??? cannot see EQUALITY DEDANS!!

After you read what i said in this post and you come to here, i can only say “LOL” here. since after all the system is equal for all and offers rewards =). Its the selection of who is considered good that is wrong :p.

The poor man has probably not had tea for days and even prolly weeks with the increase of the price of milk.. whereas the rich man has !!
The poor man prolly has been making sacrifices and many of them, i have known, eat at nite and nothing during the day.. and even at nite sometimes.. eat bread with water !! If you are sooo unhumanly..

So i am unhumanely if i chose to offer both a tea?
bof, if that’s what it takes to be impartial, am okay with being unhuman or inhuman or whatever. I treat everyone as equal and chose to treat everyone equally :p [of course, that's in the beginning, the more you make your nasty, the more you fall down and lose your equality... :p don't say i never gave you the same equal treat in the beginning]

U prolly wont understand any of ma points pertaining to human dignity and also humanity. which is a notion which u r very unfamiliar with.
And For making Justice, u should have Humanity.

ohh god, i should take a handkerchief with me, am gonna cry.

Dude, sure justice and some humanity is needed, but if you treat somebody one way, you should treat the other also the same way, its only when he starts losing “trust” that you treat him differently.

its like a new medicine, it is initially given the same treatment as all, but if it starts producing fatal side effects, we have to ban it or use it for some other purpose.

There’s nothing inhuman in what i said, i merely said we ought to treat both person equally..

As for whether for making justice you need to have humanity.. NO this isn’t the case.
For doing justice you need to be impartial.. that’s why doing justice is hard.
If that was the case, i wonder why soo many students getting caught with marijuana are arrested and condemned when they might be good kids who take their studies seriously and who respect the law and who probably may be always active in helping sick people or old people.
nooo justice is never flexible… its like the truth.. the truth is the truth, saying it is false, will change nothing about it.

, i deduce that u would b against treating children like in ZEP school differently from children in normal government schools.. meaning ZEP school children should not be given food anymore..

Hmm… i hope you are not a coder… else your code will always have security flaws, because you never seem to think of all aspects of thing form different angles…

sure you are right, you can deduce from what i said that food and bla bla shouldn’t be given to those schools.. but then… THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER deduction that you could have made…

The one which says “give everyone food equally”.

Do you really believe that everyone in school have food.. even if they don’t seem to come from any poor background.. many families don’t like to say they are in need when in fact they are in need… and those heads lies hidden in school without food…

because monsieur decided he can choose who is poor and who isn’t and hence who to feed.

yes this is an additional expense, the perfect way would be to have some service having access to private information of people.. but this isn’t really ethical. hence… bear with the cost if you wish to be impartial. Because you might be forgetting to feed a poor Einstein somewhere.. someone who doesn’t like to show his “in need” condition :p

You should follow ur argument till the end dude.

u made urself very clear. And i hate that mentality or “craze dimune pov” or “pov bizen rest pov ek riss vine pli riss”

You should follow an English course if you think i said any stupidities as that… Or are you using 1 tactic a la ramgoolamiste to try to get majority on your side using “dimoune pov” arguments .. when it has no link to what i said at all…:P

When live has made 2 persons different, we should treat them differently… when someone kills, rapes ur daughter.. treat him like a friend and invite him over for diner at ur place.

You should treat everyone equally :p… doesn’t mean that you should give unfair treat to those who deserves better.
You gave everyone the chance to study… if they failed… you push them in some other sector they might succeed right? Or do you continue on letting em staying at school?? He chose his way

I guess this reply what to be done when someone kill and rape your daughter =)… he just chose a way .. now do the necessary…

see logical… pffft, i wonder why i am even replying illogical reasoning like that..LOL .. probably in hope of enlightening you:p

When someone is poor, it is a fact. We should help him, give him financial help and also be more humane to him ..

Sure, you can get a loan or a refund as i have said, am tire of saying that, but then, does that make anything better?? if someone is poor education is already free, he stops studies because he needs to support his familly, an allowance must be given… but how will you give allowances? based on good results and salary his household gets? Don’t tell me you won’t use results, because then everyone will want to get this allowance.. even if they don’t give a damn about their studies… what happens next, you will definitely be using the Result variable? right, in the end what does it become again? hsc scholarship stuffs right? except that this time, we give lesser compensation on more people… with the resource spread, you will have a mere amount given as allowance which in turn won’t make much of a difference.

While if you reviewed you education system and concentrated your resource on those people [while leaving education still free], you will be wise and using an example which you see in nature everywhere….

a concentrated beam of light will cause a fire, non concentrated, it makes nothing other than being there and offer light.

hence our need to concentrate our resource on valuable human resource also.. besides it is an incentive to learn =). The education system is still flawed btw…

but in the end, they also study and get their degrees..
And degrees at the UoM.. specially for Engineering are not given to anyone.. i can assure u that.

Ahhh… in my life i have seen lots of copy pasters move forward…

Hell, if an engineer doesn’t drink, party, f*ck and all, i wonder what kind of engineer he is! :p

You again reading in between lines :p i said people interested in just the enjoyment part will join in :p. And i am never against heavy partying when being students… in fact, i am a freedom fighter and i believe someone can do whatever the fuck he wants as long as at the end of the day, he completes what he is supposed to complete.

So.. don’t read in between lines again :p that’s a bad habit.

And also .. flirting , enjoying life.. is part of university life.. be it in mauritius or abroad.. thers a time for classes and a time for friends and life !!

here we go again…. pfft you must be an idiot if you thought i said that’s something bad! lmao, people knowing me and reading that might be laughing their ass off what you just said!

you are just using tactics “a la ramgoolamiste” here :p

I’ll pay you a kfc barrel if you can show me the part where i said people should NOT enjoy their life at univ while studying :p. I am for enjoyment and studies :p. but if some dude comes in and just enjoy and waste money and doesn’t give a damn about the studies and in doing so prevents others from learning, he’s to be kicked out and labeled as an asshole!

+u r sooo much defending those 25 laureats and their lottery.. shouldnt the 7975 students be awarded prizes tooo ?? for their efforts..

indeed, the ones who have successfully passed their exams do they not get a free seat offered at the uom?? That’s their reward. Getting a place in a university isn’t an easy task.

Consider it that depending on your result a certain gate[s] is[are] opened for you…
but still the this system is good, but the way the exams is done and the questions are set is wrong… that’s not taking care of the essence of real potential

HSC – Hypocrite Society Control – Thats what it is to me..

not even funny!

The rich persons will always get their children to have damn good results and go to super top universities.. and then stay abroad and amass large sums of money .. and come back to reign on the islanders..

Now you feel bad that if they come back “they will reign on you”… that’s the kind of reasoning that is called “ti lesprit” if someone is more able than you, you should accept the the fact he rules over you and that till you don’t get better, you have to gladly live under him [even if technically you don't do that and there is no "ruling"].

This is why I am a superior being than you … you kept on saying HSC is bad HSC is bad, but then you keep on blaming the scholarship system for it….

The problem is the HSC itself… the way students are assessed and not the scholarship system.. dude you are sooo blind…

Anywayz, i hope you’ve grown a bit wiser by reading my post =)

ps. forgive me for any grammatical mistakes :p am in a sleepy state typing that… yet my brain seems to generate more logical thoughts…

pps. eagerly waiting for your next replies hoping you will reply ONLY after reading and analyzing what i said…

ppps. till now you have generated no valid points, even though you seem to be trying to argument for nothing..lol..read well why, you’ll understand. MEGALOL

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@Reena : na lol, plateforme de discussion… mais preske ene collection de dissertations lol!
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Atleast i made u think a bit deeper about the subject *proud*

And can see following ur last post that ur extremist ideas have molten a bit.. prolly upon further research on the matter. and trying to give justifications to the ideas u were giving jus for the debate and for taunting rather from profound thinking about the matter.

okay some answers to :

Didn’t you know that the government offers loan for people having salary less than a certain amount of money… and REFUNDS for people having salary less than a certain amount those with only 1 surviving parent also benefit from that. so?
Education isn’t free in mauritius??
You mean to say poor people can’t go to univ?

Government – securiter social as they call it pays around half of it.. not the whole sum, meaning the poor person should also find the other half..
Okay lets take the example they still pay the whole money, the parent still have to give the student money for photocopies, and the loads of stuffs needed for studying at univ..
rs18k seeming soooo insignificant for u, rite ?? rs18k is 5 months salary for many..

Education is free, BUT,many poor students, let alone univ, from primary they say they cannot go to school, because they dunt have food and all, or dont have cahier, crayons,..

Thats what i fink indeed.. the government instead of giving laureats scholarship, can provide with 1000s of stipends to poor students..

The uppercase words are not for SHOUTS .. jus for you to see them well dude hahahha

I am young and kool.. i use the way of writing of a young and kool person, are you associating strict english with something else ?? blogging, forum debating ?? blogging is a new form of expressing using IT.. why should we stick to the harsh british english!:S

oooohhhh..hahahaha lolzz.. i nearly jumped off ma chair on this one :
“Now you feel bad that if they come back “they will reign on you”… that’s the kind of reasoning that is called “ti lesprit” if someone is more able than you, you should accept the the fact he rules over you and that till you don’t get better, you have to gladly live under him “.. though i was reading and smiling slowly on the previous lines.. that one was jusss.. maaaaaann.. ur killing me .. hahahaha

Alrite, now.. you would feel that normal that someone who became laureate of that stupid exam which is HSC, who has benefitted from state scholarship which he has not merits for!, not paying tax for years and then he comes back after X years, and since his dad is surely someone rich and powerful, gets the king of the day to nominate him as ur boss.. U find that normal ??
I would find that normal, to stab the guy with a knife thats the part of the story where u are making me into a criminal btw
lolzzz
btw.. how does he become more able than me in studying at foreign university ?? Are UoM lecturers less capable than their foreign counterparts ??

Lolz.. u found urself a superior being!! gooosshhh .. pheeww.. i jus hope u never get elected to be the King of the day !

u also found no logical points in my post !! .. just too bad.. i found nothing tangible in urs either, except that u r trying to praise the capitalist point of view.

However, jus for the sake of the debate, here is my view.

why do we have hsc till now ? SSR tried to stop hsc in mauritius when he was prime minister, then suddenly, he goh a fax some weeks later from the queen’s councellors , and SSR changed his point of view.. and the change from hsc to something else.. was abandonned.

Now, past government started again with that idea of putting forward IB, again, they stop everything bout that for no particular reasons, NR king of the day ‘s govt comes forward with that again, 1week after, one of the tops of the CIE comes to mauritius, and mauritius 2 weeks later, will get help from britain on many other fields.

Education services is worth 30% of uk’s budget!! .. it is thus normal that they do everything to keep their clients, including using political power and all. which is why we are sticked to HSC till now.

Now for the number of persons to enter university.
30 years ago, ther was scholarship at primary school, shall u pass that, then u will be able to go to college or to get a job.
The exams were quite tough, people repeating the class 3,4 times and then finally stopping school.

Then 20 years ago, or more, people having SC, the so-called seniorer!! were taken to be very wise and the SC a big certificate. Since students repeated 3,4 times that class then finally passed or stopped school, and whereby u can get a nice job with that certificate..dans govt!!

N now the last decade or so, HSC became the MUST, many failed, little passed, and the little who passed, many went abroad to pursue further educations, but hsc being considered enough for many clerical works, students stopped there and worked.

Now, see my logic.

When their were no colleges in Mauritius or Very very Few, the government of the day made the CPE/Scholarship exams damn difficult so that very few could get to those colleges.
Then Some colleges were constructed, and the government took the final competition to the SC, which was then damn difficult, soo more children could go to college, but very few could pass the SC.

Then, more schools had HSC, making it nearly normal, that all children go to HSC exams, where it was damn difficult to pass again, they are jus pushing it a bit further up.

And this decade, it is about UNIVERSITY. Sooo, now that the government has in mauritius enough accomodations for letting those guys enter, it increases the number of intakes at uom by 4000 !!.. 2000 last year.. and 1500 the year before.. which makes 7500 in 3 years !!

So, now it is normal to have a first degree. But that first degree wouldnt be very much worth it, seeing the jobs given to those persons, merely clerical works!!.. except for engineers which are
bac +4 equivalent are a bit much more technical and knowledgeable works P

well.. thats how i see it, the hsc is jus a tool that uses the government to regulate the number of intakes in the higher educational spheres since as u said education is free !!.. though it isnt, but since they subsidy a lot, it is said to be free.. they also subsidy bus tickets ,and rice and flour.. soo everything is FREE in our small paradise island, aint it dude ?

) Neways, going to have some romantic times now )
lolzz..
happy st vals to all of u..

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Atleast i made u think a bit deeper about the subject *proud*

Sure enough.

Man! Yashvin, to blog p vine ene ring de combat!

non do Reena, it would be childish to fight. Its just fun to talk and use some brain.

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Shal_28

I think it’s unfaire to debate whether they should come back or not!! They work damn hard! it’s a cut throat competition, their parents paid lots of money for their tuitions… and it is a relief to be a laureate… By giving the scholarship Mauritius is acknowledging their efforts and encouraging them to go further in life!

Moreover, there is a clause which says that u have to come back and work for 5 yrs!! and the cancellation fee is in accordance to the scholarship u have been given… and it also says that if u want to go for further studies after that and pay for it, you don’t need to come back to mauritius! which is fair enough!

It also goes like this for any scholarship! For instance, if Cambridge offers a scholarship, there is no clause which stipulates that u have to stay and work for the uk etc! We should be proud that these kids are getting a scholarship and going abroad to compete with other students from other nationalities!! They make the pride of Mauritius and this is one of the reasons why Mauritius ( being such a tiny island) is well known in other countries!!

I have people telling me that Mauritians are the smartest ppl they’ve ever met!!! So I trust we should all be proud and wish them all the best in their lives! Mauritius is filled with smart ppl as it is, so it’s would not affect us if some of them get scholarships and go abroad!
Vik

I totally agree with Shal.
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I have to say i totally disagree again !

It is very unfair that we all pay for some 25 persons to enjoy life in uk and god knows where else !

Why should the tax payers money benefit other countries ? because in the end, it is other countries who will benefit from the experience and knowledge of those guys whereby it is we who are paying for their studies.

Also, shall you know it shal, cambridge, oxford, harvard are universities who give scholarships to maintain their high standard. they attract intelligent persons to their universities to keep their rank in universities with most research works and findings and for that they lure the intelligent guys with exhorbitant cash prizes.

Also, many would say, it is the pride of the country to have someone in harvard or cambridge or oxford…I am honestly sick of hearing people say that the country is pride. The country is a basalt rock, it does not feel anything and dont know anything about oxford, harvard and watever!… Furthermore, can u prefer the happiness of 4000 students who have passed their hsc and would b damn “relieved” to have university to go without paying anything..to happiness of 25 guys who even dont bother about us who are paying their studies.

As Our prime minister said, personne pa doit nou narier .. i would put that to the laureats, nou pa doit zotte narier..
Thus, we are not bound to pay their scholarships with our money, i fink my dad’s tax would b better used by helping poor persons. That’s what i fink. If you really fink that mauritians would prefer give their money to pay scholarships for 25 persons who wont come back.. i would then dare anyone, to put a box and see how many persons drop even 50 cents in it to pay for scholarship of laureats ..

Whereas, for poor persons..

That’s my point, the laureates can get scholarships without the need of the government, in other universities. Shall they be soooo intelligent, wats the need for oxford, cambridge, MIT ??
havent we seen , that laureats dont come only from rcc, rcpl ?? but also from leckraz, mgi!!! st mary’s, all loads of other colleges, it’s not the college that makes the man, it’s the man that makes the college.

Ashfaq.
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And can see following ur last post that ur extremist ideas have molten a bit.. prolly upon further research on the matter. and trying to give justifications to the ideas u were giving jus for the debate and for taunting rather from profound thinking about the matter.

:p LOL i don’t believe am the one with the extremist ideas here =)
am more for freedom which explains my stance on this topic :p

btw.. i have debated on this topic for quite a while and on different places :p

Government – securiter social as they call it pays around half of it.. not the whole sum, meaning the poor person should also find the other half..

depending on salary… you do get full refund in some cases, i know some such cases.

Okay lets take the example they still pay the whole money, the parent still have to give the student money for photocopies, and the loads of stuffs needed for studying at univ..

Basically you mean the state will have to give a monthly stipend to ALL students… my friend, money doesn’t come out of thin air. Univ is allocated only a small percent of the annual budget.

rs18k seeming soooo insignificant for u, rite ??

indeed Rs.18k is soo insignificant for 1 year of registration at a univ… [compare with other univ worldwide]. Secondly, if this were to be free or easily affordable, you know what would have happened [if no, then read my previous post again :p]

Education is free, BUT,many poor students, let alone univ, from primary they say they cannot go to school, because they dunt have food and all, or dont have cahier, crayons,..

So we should still be offering food, copybooks and pencils to students?
Then some parents will say “we don’t have enough money to buy clothes for our child to bring him to school”
then what???

You should try to focus on the topic of this discussion and realize that what you are saying is really things that depends on parent… many parents don’t care about their child, and it is in such cases that shit happens.

Thats what i fink indeed.. the government instead of giving laureats scholarship, can provide with 1000s of stipends to poor students..

Well… even by not giving scholarship, we’ll still have trouble finding enough of money to do that…

secondly note that scholarships are a great incentive for some people to learn.. [even if it is the wrong way, but it is due to the system.].

The way you are saying it… it is as if you are saying “everyone should be the prime miniter of mauritius”!

There has to be some sort of incentive to make people want to work more.

remmember that if the government wanted it, cutting down the free transport system, we could easily fill those poor people with some basic needs… as you say so.

The uppercase words are not for SHOUTS .. jus for you to see them well dude hahahha

hmmm :s whenever someone types in capital it is call shouts… you don’t use the net very often do you? d00d :p

. i use the way of writing of a young and kool person, are you associating strict english with something else ?? blogging, forum debating ?? blogging is a new form of expressing using IT.. why should we stick to the harsh british english!:S

“kool” huh… if you prefer to take it this way continue on ..

that one was jusss.. maaaaaann.. ur killing me .. hahahaha

Well either you are good or you suck. =)

Alrite, now.. you would feel that normal that someone who became laureate of that stupid exam which is HSC, who has benefitted from state scholarship which he has not merits for!, not paying tax for years and then he comes back after X years, and since his dad is surely someone rich and powerful, gets the king of the day to nominate him as ur boss.. U find that normal ??

LOL… you yourself shot yourself in the foot…

if you said the exam is stupid, then you are saying the educational system is stupid, which means, it has no link with the “scholarship system”, the scholarship system is the rewarding part… the education system is the part on which the reward is being allocated… which is 2 different things.

You yourself said it =) the current educational system sucks…

NOW let’s come to the part where you say he has not paid tax for years …

USING your assumption that MOST laureates hail from Rich families,
We deduce that Laureates are the one who’s parents has been paying more taxes than the others… [ Since many people who don't have a salary above a certain level and according to number of dependents etc.. MANY don't have to pay taxes...] (am not against)

but then that just invalidates what you just said about tax…

Secondly, if you say the individual himself hasn’t paid any tax coz he is a student, then so are the rest of the students? so what, we reject then? they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.

As for the king of the day story… if the GUY is really GOOD at his job and BETTER than me, i don’t give a f*ck whether he came in yesterday or last year, as long as he understand the job and can do it better than me, i have no reasons for not being having to have a competent boss…
you like incompetent bosses???

There are many people who have not done any univ yet are just genius and i don’t mind to be working under these people when i have to. daddies and mommies or whatever has nothing to do with competency of a person, neither does winning a scholarship means somebody is idiot.. if he is… don’t blame the scholarship system.. blame how the HSC system works… pffft its sad that you don’t know till now what exactly is the bump :p

*feeling sleepy, haven’t slept while camping yesterday*

btw.. how does he become more able than me in studying at foreign university ?? Are UoM lecturers less capable than their foreign counterparts ??

Told ya, you read too much in between the lines…

By winning a scholarship, you get your freedom, to learn at the place you feel most comfortable at, you are at rest when you think that the financial side is backed up by the state and you get more opportunities out of country [working experience].

Yes, working in a comfortable environment is the key for a brain to work more efficiently… :p if the guy got a scholarship and liked uom, then he can as much stay.

As scholarship is here as an INCENTIVE for someone to learn more [or pass through the system pffft]

Lolz.. u found urself a superior being!! gooosshhh .. pheeww.. i jus hope u never get elected to be the King of the day !

Fortunately for me, i am never the king of the day :p kings are just soo minor pieces you don’t think big enough :p.

i found nothing tangible in urs either, except that u r trying to praise the capitalist point of view.

God save your brain :p
if you had found nothing tangible, you should have taken every paragraph bit by bit and negate it :p bofff… if you prefer to say you found nothing tangible :p no worries don’t touch. LMAO

So, now it is normal to have a first degree. But that first degree wouldnt be very much worth it, seeing the jobs given to those persons, merely clerical works!!.. except for engineers which are
bac +4 equivalent are a bit much more technical and knowledgeable works P

How am i supposed to reply you that when all this while i have been shouting it out that it is the educational system which is flawed…

this large intake IS bad UNLESS you make it a pyramidal system. That’s as you go more above, you must be willing to have people dropping out/failing. But you seem to be the type of guy who keeps saying everyone should have a degree.. its not a cake you know.

Same for scholarships… scholarship is the best incentive system ever, but the way we rate student is wrong, we are rating them mostly based on parrot learning, and not real thinking! Its your educational system and corruption that is helping “the rich to rule over”, its not the fault of the scholarship system.

If like you are saying “the Prime minister position is BAD” because all the ministers that comes are “bad”. But its not the fault of that prime ministerial position! This is the fault of lack of education among people and their stance to use the racism a lot during the day of election.

So its a foolish way of thinking!

as u said education is free !!.. though it isnt

LOL, so now you say education isn’t free in mauritius??

Do you know what are the real cost for a non Mauritian citizen to study in UoM?

Do you know that high schools are paid in many places of the world?

Where the heck do you see education being non free in mauritius???

Rs.18k yearly?
I think you better find out what exactly how many fees are for a semester in universities around the world.
Rs.18k yearly are mostly fees for processing your documents, sports fees, union, and registration. [They just raised it a bit and increment intakes just to run the univ properly, because the government decided to take more people in but yet couldn't give enough money in the budget for the univ.

though it isnt, but since they subsidy a lot, it is said to be free..

One day, read the receipts you get when you register at uom, you'll realize what you are paying for.

They also subsidy bus tickets ,and rice and flour.. soo everything is FREE in our small paradise island, aint it dude

I wonder why, but your level of answering specially with the postfixed "dude" seem like an hsc or form 5 level guy...

When you subdise rice for example, when you buy rice, you pay for "rice" rice which is at a smaller price, but at the end of the day, you are paying for the product, i.e rice.

But when you pay, for example a univ like uom and you are not a part timer, are you charged for the modules you take? Are you charged for which classes you can go? Nope, you are charged for mostly extracurricular activities, securities [first aid], and a registration fee that the univ uses to supposedly keep the univ good looking…

now the education part or be more realistic, modules have never been place in the receipts.. as far as i know, you don’t pay for those, anything related to the learning part is free :p.

Its like you are buying a GNU/Linux CD from a friend, the GNU/Linux system is still free, you are not buying the software’s right, you are paying for the price of the media!

It is very unfair that we all pay for some 25 persons to enjoy life in uk and god knows where else !

Hmm.. but don’t you find it unfair that we all pay for ministers to be seated properly, have sexy cars, have escorts, have amusement, have lots of traveling tickets etc..???

The way you are saying it, is like you have no notion of what business is, if you wished for a system where 10 people contributes Rs.1 each to buy a Rs.10 pen for atleast 1 of those ten to have something to write with, then, those 9 persons better not say its unfair, because otherwise, if you wanted to get your money as soon as you placed it in a bet, then you should know its not possible! We will never achieve anything and the money will be stagnant

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Why should the tax payers money benefit other countries ? because in the end, it is other countries who will benefit from the experience and knowledge of those guys whereby it is we who are paying for their studies.

I don’t see where that is a problem when in the end they’ll have to refund back the money after some years of work [if it happen that they don't wish to come back?). Since then you'll have 1 more mauritian out in the wild doing free advertising for your country, secondly your money back.

Even if they do come back, its not as if their knowledge will have any huge gap between those that stayed behind. Probably you don't know, but no one is irreplaceable, even if they come [ignoring the political corruption here], there is a high chance that they ‘gagne zot mari’ dans travay, between, truthfully, there’s a huge difference between learning things by heart and creating things out of what you’ve learnt and applying it. Many can’t do that.
Think of scholarship as incentives… nothing else.
Sincerely, if everyone gets same thing for varying number of efforts, those who works a lot might just one day say its not worth it, since in the end everyone gets the same thing, just give up. Its like owning an Mercedes, or a ferrari, if everyone had one, I personally would not have wanted it. When you work for something you need to be rewarded for it.
Else, you’ll be encouraged to “gratte graine”.

Also, shall you know it shal, cambridge, oxford, harvard are universities who give scholarships to maintain their high standard. they attract intelligent persons to their universities to keep their rank in universities with most research works and findings and for that they lure the intelligent guys with exhorbitant cash prizes.

:p According to you, what is “being intelligent”?

If i was a university, I’d prefer to have smart, brainy and wise people with vision to do research.. and I’d try to avoid intelligent people as far as i can.

Also, many would say, it is the pride of the country to have someone in harvard or cambridge or oxford…I am honestly sick of hearing people say that the country is pride. The country is a basalt rock, it does not feel anything and dont know anything about oxford, harvard and watever!

The country doesn’t, but the population will be the first to acclaim him/her.
The following might sound a bit racial, but i wish to say it out :p,
La plipart malbar ou lascar some years ago ti pou dir “ki sana pou prend compte 1 nation kuma bruno julie”, get zordi, mo truve sa bann meme dimoune la p mari fat bruno julie. So you see, people will never accept you until you make something out of yourself, and when this happens, then you suddenly become “a mauritian”!

Parey koumsa meme, here everyone are throwing stones at laureates, when its not the fault of those peeps at all. After all, its a flawed educational system that placed them there, yet you claim the scholarship system is bad, but one day if that hsc system is fixed and repaired, you’ll be among the first persons to say that the scholarship system is truly wonderful.

Furthermore, can u prefer the happiness of 4000 students who have passed their hsc and would b damn “relieved” to have university to go without paying anything..to happiness of 25 guys who even dont bother about us who are paying their studies.

‘about us’, do you even pay taxes???
These people have parents who also do pay taxes i believe, so they are equally apt at using this money.
The 4000 students you say also have free education. A shitty university probably will make you pay Rs.300,000 yearly.

What you don’t understand is that 4000 students can’t all do univ, you need to have the potential [and there are people with the potential that aren't even allowed in because of that crappy hsc system].

There should be an entry level exam and tough exams where they are massive failures. Mauritius is a small country, scholarship money is just peanuts, that money injected in the univ will still not be able to provide free education for the whole 4000 students and “make it such as everyone should pass”. The way the government sees thing, everyone must have a degree, but this is utter bullshit. If you don’t intend to make people fail you can’t have a totally penniless entry at univ.

The alternate solution would be to have entry exams.

Thus, we are not bound to pay their scholarships with our money, i fink my dad’s tax would b better used by helping poor persons.

How does not paying scholarship be a barrier to helping poor students??

According to my point of view, scholarship system is here to help poor people, its just that the educational system favors the rich, pffft, your logic is really bad, you should concentrate on reforming for educational system rather than spoil something which is really bad.

If you really fink that mauritians would prefer give their money to pay scholarships for 25 persons who wont come back..

:p Your corruption system forces them to not come back…
Put in a box on the street and ask people to vote whether laureates should really come back considering the way people are recruited here.

I don’t see where the problem is since we can easily have a clause that says they need to refund back the money after X years of studies.

I don’t see why you are soo hell bent at getting money to “save the poor”… hell this sounds so hypocrite and politician like… gimme one good plan that will make proper use of that money to save the poor!

And please don’t tell me to feed and feed everyone, that’s like the stuff about “give a hungry man 1 fish today, he’ll come back tomorrow asking for more fish, teach him how to fish, and he’ll be able to feed himself.”

There is already refunds done when it comes to fees registration of uom, there is already business loans available for business start ups, there are free courses and seminars provided by the government to help those who wants to learn some skills. The infrastructure is here, but the way it is working is wrong, spend some time perfecting what you already have instead of breaking and re building the whole thing! You just keep on shouting fire fire fire, rather than trying to extinguish it.

i would then dare anyone, to put a box and see how many persons drop even 50 cents in it to pay for scholarship of laureats ..

The first persons who will contribute will be the poor ones who have a bright son/daughter studying at school.

That’s my point, the laureates can get scholarships without the need of the government, in other universities. Shall they be soooo intelligent, wats the need for oxford, cambridge, MIT ??

=) i think you don’t understand how the educational system here is bad….

in those universities many a times you don’t get a scholarship even if you may have the best of results, what you participate in after school, the second life that you have, the experience you’ve had, your interests, your passions, roles you have played in your society, means you’ve had to accomplished what you have and inventions you’ve made, all this sums up to some amount of marks which is then compared and it is after that, that you are given a scholarship. Not by some mere counts of hsc marks!!!!

That is why those people who you give scholarship here will never mostof the time get a scholarship out from most universities. We need to reform our educational system, then you’ll see how we can afford giving scholarship and we will also reduce the load since other students will be able to win scholarships from other univ as well.

They won’t change the educational sytem to the perfect way, because they know they’ll be the one losing.

that laureats dont come only from rcc, rcpl ?? but also from leckraz, mgi!!! st mary’s, all loads of other colleges, it’s not the college that makes the man, it’s the man that makes the college.

This is rare =). According to me, the educational system itself is wrong, and it favors hard disks kind of persons rather than processor kinds of person … but then, you may think whatever you want =). This is not going to change my point of view about laureates .. most of those are still hard disks races :p instead of processors or hybrids.

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“my friend, money doesn’t come out of thin air.”
my friend, why should 25 students get rs150millions for studies and 10k students get only rs400millions, thats neither QUAL nor JUSTICE.

“Secondly, if this were to be free or easily affordable, you know what would have happened [if no, then read my previous post again :p]”

You are taking urself for nostradamus ? lolz..hihi.. u r just giving ur suggestion ..on a scale of probabilities what you are saying is not bound to happen!!

“So we should still be offering food, copybooks and pencils to students?”
Some students really dont have the money for buying those. Go and have a look around case noyal, valle pitot, roche bois, st croix, cite barkley, trefles, camp firinga, caro laliane, caro calyptus, batterie casser, grande riviere, ti riviere, bambous, should i continue.. ???

“many parents don’t care about their child, and it is in such cases that shit happens.”
some parents i have known give their children bread and water .. and the parents dont have anything to eat near the end of the month. Still they strive for their kids, they work as maids and all!!.. [re-read ma previous posts!!:P]

“secondly note that scholarships are a great incentive for some people to learn.. [even if it is the wrong way, but it is due to the system.]. ”

2 points i want to make myself clear, i am against the current, but not only, i will explain later…
Incentive can be given to thousands instead of a few 200 who really compete and have a chance to bag the laureat title

“it is as if you are saying “everyone should be the prime miniter of mauritius”!”
Exactly )) ther you get my point, i am not against a system whereby the power is given to everyone, with a strong use of IT, like IT in all houses, referendums could be done at leisure and whenever there are important issues, the population is asked for guidance ) That’s the world of tomorow for me, and tomorow is at our doorsteps )

“you don’t use the net very often do you? d00d :p”
Indeed, that’s why i have my own blog http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com lolzz

“LOL… you yourself shot yourself in the foot…if you said the exam is stupid, then you are saying the educational system is stupid, which means, it has no link with the “scholarship system”, the scholarship system is the rewarding part… the education system is the part on which the reward is being allocated… which is 2 different things.”

You seeing only one side of the bottle.. try it a 3D view LMAO haha ..
Neways, here’s what i think, i wont extrapolate on that though, What if you replace HSC by IB ?? we change th system which you are soo much against, GREAT !! [I am for IB instead of HSC btw]…soo ??what happens ?? the rewarding system is still the same !! and we are still stuck with the fact that U want to give 25 persons rs150millions and rs400millions to 10k, which is NOT JUSTICE !!

“USING your assumption that MOST laureates hail from Rich families,
We deduce that Laureates are the one who’s parents has been paying more taxes than the others…”

Do you what tax incentives are ?? well most rich guys in Mauritius.. get tax incentives as well as tax free cars and all..

“they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.”
Aint the 10k uomites the “real” future of mauritius… ?

“i have been shouting it out that it is the educational system which is flawed… ”

Everything is flawed, inclduing the Scholarship system..

“If like you are saying “the Prime minister position is BAD” because all the ministers that comes are “bad”. But its not the fault of that prime ministerial position! This is the fault of lack of education among people and their stance to use the racism a lot during the day of election.”
Don’t tell me you really think that the ministers act by themselves !! lolz.. LMAO.. they are all the prime minister’s choices to be on the electoral list !! .. it’s not the people’s choice.. they are elected yeeessh !! but it is the prime minister who put them on the electoral list at first.. soo.. if they are “BAD”, it is his fault since he choosed them.. .i wont mention names, but ther’s a guy not even having form 4, but he got loads of money, so he bought himself a place on the electoral list.. and don’t tell me it was not the prime minister’s choice to put him there.. !!!! LMAO.. u trying to fool the world ?? hahhaha or mite be sommeil la sa ! lolzz

“Rs.18k yearly are mostly fees for processing your documents, sports fees, union, and registration.”

UoM uses rs800000 for processing of documents, this is public figure from 2 weeks ago, which is why they are cutting down paperworks and all.. processing of documents whoever are done by the administration.. brb on that..
sports fees.. have a look at the sports equipment and maintenance !! .. not more than rs1million in the total budget of rs400millions !!
registration is paid already and completely.. and even those not admitted at university pay more than needed for processing documents.. around rs1000 !!

Students of engineering pay around rs3000 for lab facilities.. and they dont get any materials for that price, just the use of equipments dating 20 years back !!

“I wonder why, but your level of answering specially with the postfixed “dude” seem like an hsc or form 5 level guy…”

i take that as personal attack !! .. it has nothing to do with the topic !! furthermore, does a word show the personality of someone?? this shall then have told mauritian loads about the language of our PMs..Leve Paker Aller.. si nek mwa mo B*** difer dans port louis.. or nation pane faire pou travail dans biro !! ..some examples of our PMs.. which are forgotten at election times..

“is like you have no notion of what business is,”

Business and trade and watever having to do with economy.. are mostly based on philosophies brought forward by american gurus and now seeing their economy and trade and business notions and what is happening, i can happily say that i dont agree with what U think as businesss.. since it is a system that doesnt work )

ok thats all for now going to see the chateau du reduit now lolzzz
“I don’t see where that is a problem when in the end they’ll have to refund back the money after some years of work [if it happen that they don't wish to come back?). Since then you'll have 1 more mauritian out in the wild doing free advertising for your country, secondly your money back."

Normally when they vanish in europe, u dont get a pence back.
Secondly, rs150millions more on our budget deficit to europe..
thirdly, "but no one is irreplaceable, even if they come [ignoring the political corruption here], there is a high chance that they ‘gagne zot mari’ dans travay,” aint a reason for giving them the money .. !!!

“same thing for varying number of efforts, those who works a lot might just one day say its not worth it, ”
Someone having a first class and a third class degree wont have the same jobs.. !! .. that’s where you can differentiate them.
Neways, i am still thinking HSC is a too futile examination to bet the STATE’s money on anyone.
Again, i am not saying that they should not be rewarded, all i am saying is that rs150millions for 25 students is wayyy tooo much . . firstly, it gives a low image that the mauritians have of their tertiary institutions to foreigners.
Secondly, wherever the laureat goes to study, in the end.. the state does not take any profit from it.
EXCEPT with sinatambou !! ..

Intelligent my friend is to be able to master ur field..since u said “according to me” and that’s according to me! .

“The country doesn’t, but the population will be the first to acclaim him/her.”
Acclaim someone whose done something in the academic field.. !! .. let me laugh !! .. a moins prix nobel lolzz.!! :S

“people will never accept you until you make something out of yourself,”
How much did the state give this man for his preparations and all ?? peanuts !! compared to the 1 year a laureat gets… and see wat this man has achieved.. has any laureat shine on the world scene like this before.. since the times bursaries are given.. let alone millions .. billions have been spent on them.. NOT A SH*T from any of the sooo called laureats !!
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“What you don’t understand is that 4000 students can’t all do univ, you need to have the potential ”
WHO are U to say they dont have the potential ????
Knowing that OUR HSC is much more competitive than the UK one .. i would suppose the students passing on BORDERLINE in mauritius who surely have satisfactory results in UK .. thus i strongly doubt ur HYPOTHESIS within which they are NOT CAPABLE ENOUGH to register at university !! .. which is sooo stupid knowing that the trend nowwadays is for 2nd degrees in USA [AROUND 30% who have first degree, have a 2nd degree].. and even 3rd degreess..!!
Or should we prolly follow india and send our hsc graduates to count cows or become Accounting clerks.. !! which is very NEEDED in GOVERNMENT ! thers soooo much to count !! ..

“here should be an entry level exam and tough exams where they are massive failures. ”
The rate of failure was long ago decided by the government what it is today…. enfin, same for licence exams, whereby thers a number of persons who are allowed to pass, else ther would b too many cars on the roads of mauritius.. !!
Same for HSC graduates.. they are failed.. else ther would be tooo many hsc holders.. and not enough jobs on the markets for them !! thats what U want ??

“scholarship money is just peanuts, ”
rs150 million is PEANUTS .. knowing that GOVT took back rs90 millions from HSC SUBSIDY .. because it was UNABLE TO SUBSIDISE that anymore !! .. stop talking nonsense.. !! .. rs150 millions is around 10% of the education BUDGET !!! ..

“How does not paying scholarship be a barrier to helping poor students??”
Utterly pointless question again !! .. with rs150millions.. you know how many students you can help..?? around 10k.. and out of that mite be only quarter needs help.. meaning .. more money can be invested for WORLD CLASS EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES IN MAURITIUS ITSELF !!..

“gimme one good plan that will make proper use of that money to save the poor!”

My plan, setup entrepreneurial short courses for persons of camp firinga, caro calyptis, batterie casser, trefles, camp yoloff and valles des pretres. While providing kindergarten facilities for the children while the parents follow upgrade short courses in whatever field they work, even macon, plombier and watever..
Give the children food at school in regions like valle pitot and caro calyptis and camp yoloff where there are no ZEP schools..
Provide those persons with allocations for clothes for their children upon good care to their children approved by securiter social officers.. “it was heartbreaking to see a group of 3 children..all without clothes in front of a slum house near venus, 1 of the children was eating cement on the floor !!!! ”

Mauritius’s education don’t bring persons to invent things but to maintain the things that have already been invented!..
Neways, whatever you invent, your market is only 1 million persons.. autant dire WORTHLESS!!!..

That’s all from me, you won’t change my point of view, with your utterly pointless arguments ..
TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING DUMPED ON THOSE PERSONS WHO WONT COME BACK WHATEVER YOU MITE SAY!!!

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my friend, why should 25 students get rs150millions for studies and 10k students get only rs400millions, thats neither QUAL nor JUSTICE.

Cool, next time in the olympics you should ask yourself why should we award 1 person 1 gold medal when we can give everyone a bronze medal?

You are taking urself for nostradamus ? lolz..hihi.. u r just giving ur suggestion ..on a scale of probabilities what you are saying is not bound to happen!!

one doesn’t need to be nostradamus to predict abuse on systems without checking who gets in.

Some students really dont have the money for buying those.

When they have satellite at home?
Still offering stationery doesn’t even affect the scholarship system.
Its only after studies by the unicef that food programmes was canceled.

some parents i have known give their children bread and water .. and the parents dont have anything to eat near the end of the month. Still they strive for their kids, they work as maids and all!!

In such cases the society they are in should help.
I had some friends who couldn’t buy books and all near where i live, my dad used to buy their books and pay their exams. Its all a matter how your environment helps you.

Yes in such cases, the government must provide some helps, but if you think about it, imagine how many will abuse that system… how many will just profit from that to just do nothing. If we managed to isolate a few needy families, fed em and give books, still the scholarship system isn’t affected.

Exactly )) ther you get my point, i am not against a system whereby the power is given to everyone, with a strong use of IT, like IT in all houses, referendums could be done at leisure and whenever there are important issues, the population is asked for guidance ) That’s the world of tomorow for me, and tomorow is at our doorsteps )

I guess that’s one thing i can be in phase with you, been my type of dream society since a while. But then, you still need a figure to represent you in protocols :p.

Indeed, that’s why i have my own blog http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com lolzz

yup checked that.. you should learn to use some nice themes :p and remember that overflowing contents on the page will likely make your page slow to load :p.
Told you, you don’t seem to have been on the net long enough :p blogspot is kind of new stuff.

What if you replace HSC by IB ?? we change th system which you are soo much against, GREAT !! [I am for IB instead of HSC btw]…soo ??what happens ?? the rewarding system is still the same !! and we are still stuck with the fact that U want to give 25 persons rs150millions and rs400millions to 10k, which is NOT JUSTICE !!

Still then, classical method of examining people DOES NOT work =) you need something better that can really test somebody with lots of practicals and mixtures of knowledge based on lesser things to remember, and more things to process and understand.

This is the fault of lack of education among people and their stance to use the racism a lot during the day of election.”
Don’t tell me you really think that the ministers act by themselves !! lolz.. LMAO.. they are all the prime minister’s choices to be on the electoral list !! .. it’s not the people’s choice.. they are elected yeeessh !!

WHAT THE HECK are you talking about!
I am talking about the way people vote and you casually diverted the conversation to how candidates gets to be in a party! I am talking about people choices here, about how they vote! Lmao, i am having serious doubts whether you can really read and understand… :s

well most rich guys in Mauritius.. get tax incentives as well as tax free cars and all..

Your idea of “most” is really eird.. it seems to mean the other way round.

“they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.”
Aint the 10k uomites the “real” future of mauritius… ?

I think you really don’t know how to read and understand…

if you read my whole paragraph on this, you will realize that i meant the whole student body globally.. for your information:

“Secondly, if you say the individual himself hasn’t paid any tax coz he is a student, then so are the rest of the students? so what, we reject then? they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.”

sports fees.. have a look at the sports equipment and maintenance !! .. not more than rs1million in the total budget of rs400millions !!
registration is paid already and completely.. and even those not admitted at university pay more than needed for processing documents.. around rs1000 !!

Severe abuse by the system, which needs to be investigated by the icac [truely there are abuse].

I was half expecting you to point this out… do you realize how much saving we make if they stop this corruption at uom, there’ll even be a surplus of money :p mais kot sa al affectE system scholarship? it makes it even better :p.

Students of engineering pay around rs3000 for lab facilities.. and they dont get any materials for that price, just the use of equipments dating 20 years back !!

Indeed, Engineering students have been complaining a lot about those lately, thank god, most of the labs have got some better materials. Atleast as far of the computer labs are concerned. Yes, there’s a blackhole somewhere in uom, you wish to feed that black hole by cutting money form the scholarship system and invest in that?

Normally when they vanish in europe, u dont get a pence back.

Which is the whole reason why i always wanted that clause to be made strict in the law.

i take that as personal attack !!

Suits you, coz i might also have taken “dude” as a personal offense considering that i don’t like people am not close friend with to call me “dude” as if they know me.

i can happily say that i dont agree with what U think as businesss.. since it is a system that doesnt work )

..because everyone seems to ignore the root of the problem… it is the educational system :p…

aint a reason for giving them the money .. !!!

It sure is a reason to give them that money :p they fairly beated you at playing a game you set [a flawed examination system], they won the prize, it is unethical not to give it :p if you didn’t want it, you could have done that same amount of effort and refuse to use that money and refuse that someone else also use that money… faut pas etre mauvais joueur =)

Someone having a first class and a third class degree wont have the same jobs.. !! .. that’s where you can differentiate them.

hahahahahaha, you have not yet been on the working environment yet i believe!
Someone with a 3rd class can easily get a better job compared to a 1st class person, if he is good in what he does. When you are out in the wild, those results don’t count at all!

I personally know people who have an msc but yet are doing the same job that a BSC person is doing.

I also know a lot of cases where first class students are working the same job and getting the same pay as 3rd class people.

What makes you get a better position at work is your attitude and experience… and “laguel”.

EXCEPT with sinatambou !! ..

Dans uom ena un peu laureat au faite… p travay comme lecturers.

Intelligent my friend is to be able to master ur field..since u said “according to me” and that’s according to me! .

Two people, lazy john and smart joe. both are programmers. smart joe invented a damned great social utility which can connect thousands of people world wide. lazy john saw that, he copied it and marketed it under his name… lazy john made millions.

Did lazy john master his field? Nope
Is lazy john intelligent? Yes
Do i hate lazy john? Yes.
Do these things happen in real life? A lot!

Acclaim someone whose done something in the academic field.. !! .. let me laugh !! .. a moins prix nobel lolzz.!! :S

a moins prix nobel, pulitzer, turing award, Abel, tyler, pritzker etc… OR someone making a global invention that radically change your life!

people can really acclaim someone in the academic field, you are underestimating it.

How much did the state give this man for his preparations and all ?? peanuts !! compared to the 1 year a laureat gets… and see wat this man has achieved.. has any laureat shine on the world scene like this before.. since the times bursaries are given.. let alone millions .. billions have been spent on them.

Yes, again, this is a flaw due to the educational system, was it perfect, he would have won a scholarship =)

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I never even thought about it! it was just an example.

WHO are U to say they dont have the potential ????
Knowing that OUR HSC is much more competitive than the UK one .. i would suppose the students passing on BORDERLINE in mauritius who surely have satisfactory results in UK ..

who am i?
I am selven, and i just know many don’t have the potential, you don’t believe me, i don’t give a damned, but still, our learning system is based on “parrot learning”, whatever the case, we need to do an entry exams for univ :p then we’ll find out whether they have the potential or not.
And again it seems you are pissed off while typing hence you are skipping parts what i wrote, i said “What you don’t understand is that 4000 students can’t all do univ

can’t all means = not everyone out of these 4000 students, they way you say it, it seems like you are implying that i said all those who are not a laureates don’t have potential! LOL. If you did think of that, you really don’t know me.

Knowing that OUR HSC is much more competitive than the UK one

Bullshit! Secondly, neither is the UK system perfect. Why do i say the educational system is not perfect, check out the geniuses that came around during the past 300 years, most who really left a mark in society were the one that had trouble with the education system.

Same for HSC graduates.. they are failed.. else ther would be tooo many hsc holders.. and not enough jobs on the markets for them !! thats what U want ??

Actually, that’s how things are… :s they tend to set a rate at how many should “pass” .. free info for you sa.

Which is really wrong, the exam should be really tough not based on parrot learning and hence will be a neutral way of assessing people.
And it will be then that your certs will be worth anything.

stop talking nonsense.. !! .. rs150 millions is around 10% of the education BUDGET !!! ..

which is still peanuts… globally, consider how many is injected in the education budget.. not much! see the global view :p duh!

Utterly pointless question again !! .. with rs150millions.. you know how many students you can help..?? around 10k.. and out of that mite be only quarter needs help.. meaning .. more money can be invested for WORLD CLASS EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES IN MAURITIUS ITSELF !!..

Sure, invest that, and soon you’ll be noticing it is not enough, another black hole just appeared, better find out where money is leaking instead of starting to cut down on scholarship.. which is the perfect incentive system.

My plan, setup entrepreneurial short courses for persons of camp firinga, caro calyptis, batterie casser, trefles, camp yoloff and valles des pretres. While providing kindergarten facilities for the children while the parents follow upgrade short courses in whatever field they work, even macon, plombier and watever..
Give the children food at school in regions like valle pitot and caro calyptis and camp yoloff where there are no ZEP schools..
Provide those persons with allocations for clothes for their children upon good care to their children approved by securiter social officers.. “it was heartbreaking to see a group of 3 children..all without clothes in front of a slum house near venus, 1 of the children was eating cement on the floor !!!! ”

And this will cost Rs.150M?

Mauritius’s education don’t bring persons to invent things but to maintain the things that have already been invented!..

May i say you don’t have any vision! Most people think like that, and i hate that type of tihnking, since this encourage a world to remain stagnant.

Neways, whatever you invent, your market is only 1 million persons.. autant dire WORTHLESS!!!..

infinite lack of vision!

That’s all from me, you won’t change my point of view, with your utterly pointless arguments

LOL, childish as always =).
Never posted to change your point of view, that has never been the case for any debate, but to express more and find more about the other side =).
You did brought out some nice point, but ultimately you didn’t know how to develop it, since you kind of feared it will coincide with my school of thoughts … i suppose its because you thought it was a flame

TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING DUMPED ON THOSE PERSONS WHO WONT COME BACK WHATEVER YOU MITE SAY!!!

omg, you shout too much :p.

MITE i don’t see any mites lying around :p

@ yashvin: There’s been some downtimes for my host also for today, i wonder whether the problem was local?

With this, i close the discussion =)

+$3|v3n
ashley

i think the main problem is not whether they deserve it or not .what the problem is ,when the laureate is signing the bond.he is already dishonest if he is thinking of not returning.when we pay ttaxes,irrespective of whether its my dad or your dad.the aim of the tax is to better our country and the lives of those within it .while it is true that the money abroad is more ,it is highly unethical and immoral to cheat the people who has supported you all along.sadly enough,it is not just the laureates who are to be blamed for the sad state of affairs.it is the government who is also party to the crime .They should increase the 500 000rs to a new amount ,like 5000 000rs fr instance.
secondly we are a developing country.what would serve us better is to have a similar system to harvard where the scholarship is based on need .so if ur dad can pay 40%,then let him pay.

but i was recently told abt something which may or may not be true.aprently in air mauritius ,if ur caste if baboojee or maraz,u get promotions easily.can u believe it ?and our government is talking of equal opportunities bill. it is time people get work on merit ,so that our counry can move frm a 3rd world country to a first world country.singapore has done it and we can do it .we just need better leaders
http://hackers.mu selven

since discussing with prince of portlouis is over :p

he is already dishonest if he is thinking of not returning.

Now that’s good reasoning, indeed you are right. Which is why the clause for them to return back all the money at a given time if they are not back in say 5 years, they must return it all, else get kicked to jail.

secondly we are a developing country.what would serve us better is to have a similar system to harvard where the scholarship is based on need .so if ur dad can pay 40%,then let him pay.

Am in favor of such a system, pffft, unfortunately, those f*cks sitting at the government just don’t have any clue of what to do with their entire 5 years at their ministerial position other than just doing massive manipulations.

but i was recently told abt something which may or may not be true.aprently in air mauritius ,if ur caste if baboojee or maraz,u get promotions easily.

I live near the airport, i can confirm its true :p, many of my friends works there. C’est un endroit pourri pourri pourri! On top of it :p its not the place to send your gf to work at! hahahahaha 1 deuxieme infinity sa!

our government is talking of equal opportunities bill.

Government manipulations as always :p which is why i always say, politics is something dirty.
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

“ask yourself why should we award 1 person 1 gold medal when we can give everyone a bronze medal?”
Don’t expect me to reply to nonsense !

“one doesn’t need to be nostradamus to predict abuse on systems ”
Still, ur hypothesis is only a guess.. nothing based on facts ! Thus utterly pointless.

“When they have satellite at home?”
you are probably talking for urself, the guys in the slums got satellite on their houses, because it is rs489 and u dont pay two months, and the satellite is free, soo even after 2 months they resign the agreement, their satellite dish remain with them!!!
Doesn’t mean they actually HAVE satellite !!..

“In such cases the society they are in should help.”
Thats OUR society, MAURITIAN SOCIETY, or do u mean another “society”, the society i am talking about, involves the state reducing the amount of money given to laureats scholarship and give to poor people.
Still it wouldnt be EQUAL for everyone and you again be against it.. so, in anyways you are against helping the poor

“my dad used to buy their books and pay their exams.”
Nice to let us know how generous and rich your dad is, we are very happy about it.

“If we managed to isolate a few needy families,”
They are isolated enough.

“you don’t seem to have been on the net long enough :p blogspot is kind of new stuff.”
I love having my blog being slow to load ) it is soo much pleasurable for me.
I love having overflowing contents on ma blog, that’s my style, and i guess it’s kind of unique
AND AND AND .. i was on skyblog long ago, it became skyrock, longer time ago i was on yahoo personal pages, which was kinda Sh*ty, and iv been also on freewebs and thers more, soo wont bother writing everything here..

“Still then, classical method of examining people DOES NOT work =) you need something better”
have your go !!.. i proposed IB as alternative, you proposing what ?? or you are here only to criticise ideas ??

“I am talking about people choices here, about how they vote! Lmao, i am having serious doubts whether you can really read and understand”
You got that habit of staying on the surface, while i like diving into the matter.
The people’s choice can or cannot be the persons on the electoral, but then, do they have the choice, disons, i love someone called X but the person is on electoral list of another electoral are, i cant vote for her!
Another example, theirs someone i damn like who has just joined party X or Y, but party X or Y dont want to put her on electoral list, then, how will i vote for her ???

“so what, we reject then? they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them”
We should stop giving laureats big money and invest in students to do studies locally.

“…mais kot sa al affectE system scholarship? it makes it even better ”
Read well and the whole paragraph, i said that the money WE pay for University is not PEANUTS(according to U) since the facilities we are getting don’t value more than that!!!

“most of the labs have got some better materials.”
weps, they replaced some computers by core 2 duo!!, but increasing the student population by 2, the facilities are the same, it is not about upgrading, it should have been about doubling the facilities !!

“. Yes, there’s a blackhole somewhere in uom, you wish to feed that black hole by cutting money form the scholarship system and invest in that”
I would prefer feed that blackhole and know that atleast half of the money would used for something utterly more efficient than student meals and students partying in the 4 corners of europe !! ..

“Which is the whole reason why i always wanted that clause to be made strict in the law.”
Yea?? really ?? HAHA .. let me laugh, you’ve been playing devil’s advocate since 1 week!! whatever the law decides when someone goes to europe, specially mauritians, theirs a chance like in 1 million to trace him back if he wants to hide, and neways, rs500000 is such a small amount in UK specially, they work blackmarket part time 1year and half, and they repay completlly the clause !! whereby STATE invested not rs500k but rs5000k or maybe even more !!

“i might also have taken “dude” as a personal offense”
Alrite be happy and take it as a personal offense DUDE:P

” i can happily say that i dont agree with what U think as businesss.. since it is a system that doesnt work )

..[[[because everyone seems to ignore the root of the problem… it is the educational system :p…]]] UR ANSWER”

LMAO !!! HAHAHHAHAHHA LOLZ pheeeww.. if only stupidity could kill, i was talking business and the subprime crisis and recession in US !! AND u relating that to EDUCATION.. OMFG.. hahaha

“you set [a flawed examination system]”
hello!!! i am not the root of ur evils !! i am not CAMBRIDGE!!! pheeeeww

“Someone with a 3rd class can easily get a better job compared to a 1st class person, if he is good in what he does.”
yea, he should ACTUALLY work to prove his worthiness yea ?? soo.. who would at first time be accepted for the job ??
since the manager, he hasnt seen any of the 2 work ! .. OR DO THEY WORK FOR FREE and SEE WHOO IS BETTER ??
I have been on the work market BUT your argument is soo stupid that even someone not on the work market would reply that to U

“I personally know people who have an msc but yet are doing the same job that a BSC person is doing.”
I know people have Msc doing technicians job READ MA PREVIOUS POSTS … I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING THE COMPETITION FROM HSC AND PUTTING IT TO UNIVERSITY LEVEL, WHEREBY MOST PERSONS ARE ADMITTED TO UNIVERSITY [UOM] and THAT IT HAS ALSO BEEN THE CASE , WHEN MORE COLLEGES WERE BUILT AND COMPETITION TAKEN FROM SC TO HSC .
THATS WHERE I MENTIONED THAT LONGTEMPS DIMUNES GAGNE TRAVAIL EK SC AND SINCE SOME YEARS WITH HSC, AND NOW BSC IS BECOMING THE NORM TO HAVE A JOB, THUS THEY ARE JUST GIVING JOBS THAT PERSONS WERE DOING LONG AGO WITH SC , TO HSC HOLDERS, NOW TO BSC HOLDERS, AND SOON TO MSC HOLDERS and IT GOES ON !!!! written that in uppercase so that u can read it thoroughly well this time !!
i am sorry , but i cannot type again things i have already said, you are just turning around the pot!!!, without much newer arguments!!! you don’t seem to know what to add more else coming back to things i have already answered you

“Is lazy john intelligent? ”
you asked me to give my definition of intelligent, i gave u.. fair enough.. as i said it is the one who masters a particular field who is called intelligent, you shall remember i didnt mention which field, lazy john would be intelligent in the field of thieves/copycats.. things like that, neways i think in english they have a particular word for that, i do not have the time nor the needs to search for such words, mite be u do !! ..

“people can really acclaim someone in the academic field, you are underestimating it.”
Billions lost on laureats, what is the bilan ?? any pulitzer, nobel , global invention ?? i will give u as much time as u want to reply me that !!

“he would have won a scholarship =)”
a scholarship in sports, why not, that’s an idea.

“check out the geniuses that came around during the past 300 years,”
Do geniuses really need to go to college and university ?? :S … i dont have an answer to that !!

“they tend to set a rate at how many should “pass” .. free info for you sa.”
i already pointed it out !!! fouf !!

“lobally, consider how many is injected in the education budget.. not much! ”
Alrite global view now !! Education eats around 10-15% of annual budgets !! .. heeyy i am not here for giving u all infos, do ur homeworks before talking any bullshit !!

“And this will cost Rs.150M?”
moreorless.. it can be coupled to the social welfare ministry’s budget !!
I atleast gave my plan of what can be done, instead of criticising all along without giving any alternatives except change the current system, then wat ?? children in l’endroit defavoriser will be able to go to school ?? coz they learn things instead of parrot learning!! BULLSHIT …

our market is only 1 million persons.. autant dire WORTHLESS!!!..

“”infinite lack of vision!”" UR COMMENTS
as our PM said, put ur mouth where your money is, is that, MAURITIUS !!! that’s what i do and u got only 1 million persons here…

“Never posted to change your point of view, “‘
ur debating for nothing then !! .. i am debating to make you understand that their is more that can be done with the laureats scholarship’s money.

here’s my reply )
enjoy
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Ashfaq: Thanks for ur reply.
So, I believe this is the last reply from you too, Selven has already said his.

Cheers - lol, n be shorter next time please
http://hackers.mu selven

LOL
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@yashvin: 2 more comments and you will scoop a century
Shal_28

I really don’t see the point of this discussion!! where there will be elites there will be ppl left out!! that’s a fact and it’s everywhere! It might be unfair for some but at the end of the day, if everyone works hardm everyone will be rewarded. It’s soo unfair to say that Mauritius is just some basalt rock btw Ashfaaq! If this is how u feel then u are not a true Mauritian!

This is what I feel and life is not fair as it is… so deal with it and move on and work harder!

Some say reculer pour mieux sauter and i agree!
wth

Get over it man. they worked hard and got rewarded. be happy for them,and if you can’t, shut up and get a life. do you even know what you’re talking about, brandishing figures and militating against hardworkers? be true to your patriotism claim by being proud that people from your country are getting due appreciation elsewhere. get out of your cocoon of selfishness and see the big picture. are you trying to say that those who work hard and do better than others should vow eternal enslavement to your land? or to you? should they serve you because they did better than you? they don’t owe you a dime buddy. if anything, we should be expressing our gratitude towards their going abroad and letting people know that there exists a teeny-weeny country which does have big, able brains too. if other countries give them much more recognition and reward them for their abilities better, if they can remunerate your friends better, why should they refuse? and why should you wince? much ado about nothing makes one sound like a frustrated non-entity. cheer instead of booing, you’ll feel much better.
Nazira

purÃ©Ã©Ã©Ã© tes articles ils ont la cÃ´te! j’ai du descendre des kilomÃ¨tres pour pouvoir Ã©crire

alors je sais pas mais jpense que tu peux pas en proposant des bourses obligÃ© les Ã©lÃ¨ves Ã revenir car d’un cÃ´tÃ© je sais pas pour eux mÃªme Ã la base c’est une grande opportunitÃ© d’aller Ã l’Ã©tranger et ils ont mÃ©ritÃ© quand mÃªme cette bourse vu leur travail. Je pense que libre Ã eux de choisir…

Mais … d’un cÃ´tÃ© je comprends pas pourquoi il y en a plein mÃªme apparament la majoritÃ© qui ne veut pas retourner Ã Maurice … moi ce que je remarque quand je vais Ã Maurice, c’est que certains mauriciens ont la facheuse habitude dirais-je (lol Ã§a me fait marrer comment je parle) de mettre l’europe (et surtout l’angleterre) sur un pied d’estale … genre c’est le truc parfait quoi … genre c’est le rÃªve d’aller la bas et tout et tout … ben franchement il y a pas de quoi … l’europe Ã§a craint aussi!!!

L’Ã®le maurice est une jolie petite Ã®le avec une astmosphÃ¨re gÃ©niale, il n’y a rien Ã dire les gens sont si gentils et souriant Ã§a change carrÃ©ment de l’europe! L’europe les gens sont froids, pas de bonne humeur.

Hmm ok d’accord peut-Ãªtre qu’on gagne plus d’argent en europe mais Ã§a en fait c’est de l’arnaque je sais pas comment ils se dÃ©brouillent pour Ã©tablir la valeur de la monnaie, mais c’est pas trÃ¨s honÃªte on dirait car comme par hasard le systÃ¨me de change ne profites que Ã peu de pays, les pays occidentaux biensÃ»r!

Bon je sais pas trop moi pourquoi les gens veulent pas rester Ã maurice, mais moi jtrouve que maurice c’est gÃ©nial!
Et justement les mauriciens devraient tous avoir envie d’amÃ©liorer la vie la bas, on peut changer les choses quoi, pourquoi fuire quand on peut aider?
Enfin maintenant on a bien la capacitÃ© de bougÃ© genre, peut-Ãªtre que au dÃ©but ils voudront rester ailleurs, mais Ã la fin ils vont peut-Ãªtre revenir Ã maurice au bout d’un moment.

Enfin bon moi je ne sais pas trop mais Ã§a me tenterai pas mal d’aller travailler Ã Maurice! Il faut pas toujours chercher Ã aller dans les pays dÃ©velopper, regardait la Chine comme ils ont progresser … nous les mauriciens on peut faire pareil :p

Mais enfin faut dire que Ã§a dÃ©pend de notre point de vue, il y a en a ils pensent que Ã eux et aller Ã la fameuse europe, et d’autres qui veulent faire bouger les choses!

Mais t’inquiÃ¨tes pas je pense qu’il y a quand mÃªme des gens qui veulent revenir Ã maurice, ceux qui ne sont pas super captivÃ© par l’europe, et certains qui en ont bavÃ© en europe!
Vik

why is she writing in French when everyone is conversing in English?
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@Vik : She is not doing this on purpose. She is a French.

If you can’t understand French, do let us know, perhaps we can translate.
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The concept of Tax Payer’s money is completely unknown for most Mauritians since most politicians have lowered tax thresholds so that “middle class” people dont have to pay income tax. Btw, these completely forget about the existence of VAT …
Vik

no i don’t understand french. i would like to know what she wrote there. thnks mate.
krishnen

i can understand your frustration on this issue…however in that case i think we should blame the game not the players…i hope our educational system is reformed before we fall further behind..
Jez

A bit late, but I got just two words to say: ‘sour grapes’
jt

ohh peuple admirable….:P
Kugs

Everyone against them are a bunch of jealous ppl who would have done the same thing…Zour la guerre civile eclater dans sa pays la par malchance, mo gueter kot zot patriotisme pou grimper>>>

Hypocrites!!! Tous que vous etes a etre des soi disant patriote…
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

@kugs – why would anyone be jealous ? we are damn happy to have gifted people on our island.
But, you should understand the reality of Mauritius.
The times are hard, and the government is each year decreasing the budget of the university of mauritius, decreasing or removing subsidies, bills are rising, people are suffocated with the rise in petrol rise.
We are in a democracy, and everyone should be treated equally.
Rewarded, yes. But treated equally.
I strongly support the minister of education’s plan to make the laureats study at the university of mauritius. This will surely give a higher status to the uom, but not only.
The UoM has already a high status, shall you not know it. The papers of final year are moderated by professors from abroad. And for engineering courses, the papers each year are of very high grade. The moderators themselves acknowledge that the papers of final year at uom, Fac of Engineering are of a higher grade than even those of UK. So, my question to you, what does our university lack for the laureats to go abroad ?
Solution to the problem:
Give them a stipend each month.
Give them free course at UoM.
Give them a gold medal to recognise their efforts
Give them vouchers/gifts/flight tickets for holidays.
All of those will whatever anyone might say, in favor of all students of UoM (more than 8000) if the laureats stay back and the rs125millions invested in the UoM budget.
cheerz..
No1 is jealous,.. it is not patriotism either, but just a matter of providing fair chances to the greatest number than to few who whichever university you put them in, they will still do well.
http://hackers.mu selven

I strongly support the minister of education’s plan to make the laureats study at the university of mauritius.

That is being unfair to the newer generations when all previous generations of laureates have been able to choose!

pfft, i sincerely do believe most of you people who are siding this so called “everyone should be treated equally” to be damned right hypocrites.

… if everyone was treated equally, then whether you work or your fail, you should always gets 100/100 in exams! that’s bullshit.

Better just make the whole education system in a way where everyone has the same equal start and then the more they manage to work, the more priviledge they get… this is something sane and normal.

in this whole thread, i haven’t seen not even one single logical reasoning that says why a laureate shouldn’t get favors.

Dude, in a system without any form of rewards, people are bound to have no ambitions and no goal, and such a system is bound to die!

All countries have a scholarship system, why the heck do you ppl have to eye what laureates are having??

Pffft.. frannnnnnc tou, vraiem, moris 1 pays kot ena boukou boukou ti lesprit. Ena bez la matelo!

Li vrai ki realitE la li la ki la plipart c bann piti riche ki gagne laureat pli souvent.. mais problem la c pa laureat la.. c la facon nu system ledication etE… repair our education system and leave the reward here!
Don’t try to solve a problem by solving the wrong stuff!

enfin, over times, i was so disgusted by what ppl were blogging about this topic so much that i felt disgusted to post on this again, and i have no idea why am even posting this again, its not as if you’ll ever understand a word at what am trying to say, probably there’ll be one moron or two who will be replying me with some crap which doesn’t even make sense… to which i won’t even care replying.

mais franc tou…. the minister of education putting forward such a thing… can’t you see.. this is just a damned political argument to try to make the population believe that “more power is being given to the poor” what the heck! this is just causing our education system to come to an abrupt halt itself!

+selven
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@selven – you quoted me .. then i am allowed to a reply.
i didn’t say they are putting off the laureat system .. just that they are stopping to send people abroad to study and sending them to uom, where they get the same quality of education if not better.
Do the poor need to have a reward of going abroad to still thrive hard in the competition at high school level ? No. Because, all the poor need is to have a scholarship to going to tertiary level.
Do the rich need to have a reward of going abroad to still thrive hard in the competition at high school level ? No. Because, they already have the money to do so, and if they do compete, it is to top the competition, not to win a university seat abroad.
We should stop that colonized mentality that going to UK to study is such a big achievement, shall you not have noticed, we are in 2009, Mauritius has nothing to envy to UK. Else, may be, its subway.
Mauritius though being considered a 3rd world country, is not. We are just keep that, to enjoy the benefits of 3rd world countries.
In, 4 years max, Mauritius will be a completely developed island. I am not a ptr person, nor man of a party. I support bunwaree’s idea for a fair education system. The change has to start somewhere, it started with the massive construction of schools bring the ratio of teacher to student from around 1:35 to 1:15-20 .
The next step is the building of a new university, an idea which myself thought about years earlier. But my thought was of having it in Port Louis, my hometown.. a bit of dream..
As for making everyone pass, fair educational system does not mean that, it means giving everyone the same chances, meaning the same examination papers and finally it is still the best student who will succeed.
Also, the mentality of sakene proteze so montagne should be banned. No1 owes us Nofing. as JFK said, fink wat u can do for ur country, not wat ur country can do for u. We are a new generation, we have to think differently, not not think that wat our dads’ got,we will have the same priviledge. my dad owes a house in port louis.
You think, TODAY, it will be as easy to buy the same house in Port Louis ?? ofcourse not, times have changed.
We should change with time, because time waits no1.

P.S: nice to read ur words after such a long time mate always a pleasure
yashna

@ ashfaq,

What a load of bullshit! Do you seriously think we are keeping a 3rd world status because we want to?

I am a 2008 laureate, currently studying in the US and I’ve visited the labs at UoM, and I’ve seen those here, if you seriously think there is no difference, then you’ve never been to a foreign university.

Dreams are free, aren’t they? Mauritius is one of the best countries in Africa, for sure, but we still lag far far behind and with the current political parties(plural) and mentalities we arent reaching anywhere further in 4 years.

The governor of the BoM ate for Rs10000 per day, and people take more offense at giving scholarships to students who strived to get it than this. (Tax-payers money too) Wow, of course it’s not jealousy, they’d just rather waste their money on lunches that rewarding students for hard work.

If the entertainment allowances of ministers and advisers were reduced, we would be able to still maintain the current laureateship system and still send 400 students to UoM.
Ask the minister of Education if he is willing to give up his fringe benefits( again tax payers money) and sponsor students to UoM.

JFK rightly said ‘ask what you can do for your country and not what it can do for you’
Well, what CAN they do for it? Change people’s mentalities? No,
Enter politics? No, you need backing and a big fat load of money for it. Assuming you do manage it, can you change things? No, because mauritian politics is fraught with casteism and racism.
Mauritius has a remarkably bad rank in the corruption index, they won’t get the jobs they deserve and will see it go to less-qualified but better connected people. They won’t get the salary they deserve, because here you need to become an adviser to get the best salaries.

Assuming they stay in a foreign country and do something remarkable in their field, they give Mauritius’ reputation a boost, will they have done something for it according to you?
ReenaDKL

@ Yashna,

I totally agree with you. Politicians are here to pocket your money, reduce your benefits and still appear like Saints, especially our dear PM…pfff!!!

People here won’t ever change their mentality…they will remain stuck in their racial box and stab each other for the sake of some fake political favors…

Why abolish laureates? Why not try another solution like you said? Rs 10 000 a lunch!!!??? BS!!! If only Mauritians had their eyes where they should be…
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Check out the anniversary post.

Cheers,
Yashvin
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@yashna – Laureate 2008 , your level of maturity can be read thru ur words. u r of those who see a mole and take it to be the world. it’s ur perception of fings. i cannot do anything about that.
i would however be interested to know which labs u have visited at uom? u have surely not gone to the robotics lab, to the EDM lab and cad/cam labs ,and metrology labs .. students at uom design robots, computer aided manufacturing equipments, automation, i am one of those..
The equipments at the cad/cam lab itself .. the edm, vmc and cnc are worth rs40millions..and that’s only for a lab, ther’s workshops with state of the art technology for corrosion testing. The sugar cane factories and other companies go to UoM for testing and analysis. I will not go into further details of all the equipments and facilities at uom.
Shall you however know that the UoM students are very demanded on the worldwide market. 5 students from my course have been taken for work in UK in the manufacturing sector using robotics for parts of airplanes and NASA equipments, including spacecrafts.
You should see more of the before drawing conclusions, quick conclusions are those taken by immature persons.
“we aren’t reaching anywhere in 4 years”- this part shows your lack of vision. With the project of Tianli, mauritius will become a serious competitor in the field of high tech equipments.
The BOM governor do what he wants at buffets and grand diners where you invite chairpersons and presidents of big enterprises. Those are the social role of persons at the head of enterprises.
Attend diners with high officers from abroad, and make them invest in Mauritius. Again, your lack of social knowledge, shows your immaturity of life, and how things are done.
Shall you then be recalled that the ex President of france, and the one before him were used to those kind of diners.
Why should the students be rewarded with scholarships, that is my question and no1 has been able to answer, why not a local scholarship ????
Again, “if the entertainments were reduced…. ” shows your immaturity, those entertainments, this is part of life and is very usual in other countries. And same for mauritius, it is the ONLY occasion when businessman and other parties can meet casually and eventually projects pop-up. That’s how it happens. If you do not know that, ther’s a lot for you to learn. AND THOSE, YOU WONT LEARN IT ON THE UNIVERSITY SEAT, BUT WHEN YOU START WORKING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR SPECIALLY
“Well, what CAN they do for it? Change peopleâ€™s mentalities? No…”
Ofcourse, they can, why not ?? why should you change people’s mentalities, that’s the attitude of people who do NOT know anything about psychology. You need not change people’s mentalities, if you have some charisma, you know well your topic, you understand what you are talking about, and you can make people understand your point. Their mentalities will change by themselves.
“Casteism and racism..”- This is present in Mauritius for sure, but as Tariq Ramadan said “..quelque chose qu’on n’aime pas, faut cessez d’en parler, parcequ’a force de le dire et de le repetez, cette chose s’amplifie et la perception de la chose est bien plus grande que ce qu’elle est en realiter..”- he was talking about racism and division in the society. This is the sole problem in mauritius. There is NO racism, you walk around, everywhere you go, ther’s no racism, voting for someone of the same religion as urself does not mean you are racist. This is a false conception of racism.
“the salary they deserve”- again, how do they know they deserve it ? if they really do deserve it, they can complain to the bureau du travail, file a case in court, change job, go to private sector and see if they really get the salary they deserve.
Because Yashna, in the private sector, it is minorities who are in charge, banne blanc, ther’s no racism or corruption there, you are employed upon what you are worth for.. if some think they deserve better, they could take their luck in the private sector.
Advisors, again a false perception, advisors LONG AGO, have been ti-copains.. But now? who were the advisors of berenger ? or even of Ramgoolam who is more reknown, joel de rosnay, you should see that man’s CV!!! The advisors of the ministers are nowadays people with phds and many of them work in the private sector and advisor part time.
Give the reputation of a country a boost is 1 fing, HELP the country is another one.
Do you honestly think that the mauritian Nobel prize winner gave a boost to Mauritius ?? Lolz !! in 1 year, everyone would have forgotten it.
The Real boost someone can do is by achieving something that benefits the people of mauritius. Reputation of a country can be ruined overnight like what you pointed out.. a bad performance in the corruption index
cheeerzz..
do reply to me wen u pass by..

P.S : Congrats yashvin all the best and bonne continuation
Kunal

@Yashna: you’re completely right dude

@Ashfaq: Dude! Have you been living under a rock or what?
What fucking lab are you talking about? huh? Listen dude, UoM’s level is very very poor… and 40 millions??!

HAHAHAHA!!! etaaaa couyon!
Here at my univ we have a pulsed laser holography lab that cost 600 million dollars (to koner kombien zeros ena dans millions?)

We have 12 electron microscopes; we have a large array of 120 supercomputers at our computer science laboratories — infact even the meteorological centre for Ontario uses that facility

et to p koze 40 millions *roupies*??

Go research properly, never has any UoM student been good at current high tech. Nor will UoM ever be. I’m not putting the students at UoM down, I’ve been one too. but what i mean to say is that dont get your dreams too high.
I think you dont know much about technology… again go research properly.

You can only make toys in those labs at UoM
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

@ReenaDKL – We are lucky, “SOME” mauritians do not have their eyes where they should be. Else, we would have turned from a colonized country, to one of those democratic republic of africa.
We are lucky those small some, starting from jugnauth seen 30 years ago, the importance of 2-way highway from plaisance to port louis,
we are lucky today, ramgoolam pere ( gave education gratis ) else many of you would have still been in caro cane,
we are lucky today, ramgoolam fils seen the need of the EPZ and AGOA,..on his first mandate,..
We are lucky today, jugnauth jr, seen that the island needed to go duty free, such that we can be compared to dubai and be as competitive as them.
We are lucky today, berenger, devised the cybercity which is now what it is.. and with its continual expansion, how huge it will become, the future shall tell us, but with the New complex to be built there with 2000 hotel room, it is a huge prospect for jobs in that sector.
We are lucky today, Ramgoolam N., concluded agreements with USA for the txtile sector, for the tianli project and for the INTERNET african-mauritian connection.

For all that, we are lucky to have had capable persons at the post of prime minister. All those persons were capable, and surely they are at their last mandate. As i said, in 4 years, we will see a new look mauritius, also i forgot, the renovated airport !!

For a country of only 1.2 millions, if that’s not an achievement in itself ?
We are an african country but we have political stability, one of the only countries in africa..
The change in the election system should be reviewed for a better one. But, in 40 yrs, or even in 10 years, that’s the furthest i can remember, such a small island, with limited resources could go soo far !!! ..

Scholarships are already offered abroad, the students of the Mauritian HSC or even SC, are the best in the WORLD!!! A student in SC, 2 years ago, was ranked in the top best in the world, and this year his gf was top of the World !! ..

@all those wanting scholarships.. might be you did not deserve yours.
Because, the persons who really merit the scholarships won’t need the state scholarships, the Universities abroad are already sending them requests to join in .

A Bon entendeur, Salut !!
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

@kunal – i referred to the sole cad/cam lab for the rs40millions if you do not know the cad/cam lab, shows that you have not been familiar with the labs of the UoM, thus do not comment on stuffs you do not know.

Laser holography !! $600millions – by that simple figure, shows how much you have been taken for a stupid by those who told you that. $1000millions is what costed the world economic crisis to the USA, and they had to take the consent of the senate and congress to get the money, same for the health scheme that Obama wants to promote. To parette bien couyon si to penser 1 machine laser holography can be $600millions, laser is simply light and light is cheaper, holography is also a cheap technology, with limited use of energy, which is why it is being promoted.
Microsoft has put up a concept of keyboard and screen under research using laser holography which would be available to the stupid citizen that you are seemingly. The forecasted price tag was $5000.

Electron microscopy equipments are also available at the UoM..shall you not know it !!!
120 supercomputers of which era ? you should state which year they were built, because with the rapid technology rise since the last 10 years, the supercomputers of 10 years back are what you can get as a simple desktop computer today at rs14000 cotte Cash n Carry ..

Your words simply proved how stupid you are.. Specially your facts. However, kav dimoune ine pran twa pou kuyon ek tone croire tou saki ine raconte twa.
to pa en tord.
Cheeerzz..
Kunal

At Ashfaq:
Wowyou were definitely living under a rock! turd…

Go and ask yashvin about the holograms I made. You dumbass, i’ve been representing the dept of optics at the national science exposition of canada… wtf r u talking about??!

When google interviewed me for a summer job, they did believe me and Google >>>>>>>>>> u

so stfu noob

I even sent him videos of the holograms I made…

u seriously have a problem lolll

I think you should get a girlfriend.

Meanwhile Yashvin will be happy tot ell you more about him so go ask him and leave this thread alone
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

@kunal – i would be interested if you would also comment on my other points instead of branding around that you made an hologram and were interviewed by google, who cares ??

Your use of the word stupid, dumbass and other expressions like get a girlfriend, shows your exposure to social life.

You should be damn alone in your life, probably despite having a wife .. in case you could a get one! Else, you would be someone who would be gasping at your own achievements as the greatest achievements that human came across.

Google interviewed u, you got the job ? for any jobs, there are 1000s of applicants, specially for soft-techs .. from india!!

So, as a whole, your reply was the most pointless i have ever come across. It would be interesting for the readers of these comments to know your answer on the $600millions equipments..

Do comment back when you are back to your senses

Cheerz..
yashna

@ Ashfaq,

Well Kunal is definotely right you have been living under a rock, and a big one at that!

Rs40 million is peanuts for a state of the art lab, here they invest in millions of dollars for each lab, the university is building a new Chemical Engineering lab for $140 million,
Do you seriously think university rankings are bogus?? And that UoM can compare to a university ranked fourth worldwide??
Im not saying that UoM is bad, but some universities are simply better.

And I don’t know what level of maturity I’m showing but you are surely showing your lack of knowledge of other countries,
‘Mauritius can now compare to Dubai”???? I was in Dubai 3 weeks ago
for a transit to the U.S and I visited it 8 years ago. Mauritius does not even equal to what it was when I first visited it. And don’t make me laugh with that piece on the airport and new look.
We’ll both be around in 4 years’ time, we’ll see if Mauritius is a developed country or not!
And if you think the country is well on the way to progress, take a look at all the incompetent people in STC, Air Mauritius and CNT who are making you pay for their mistakes. Rosnay is only 1 adviser, there are many others who are ‘ti-copains’(again living under a rock) and at any rate, the PM does not listen to Rosnay, who has warned him off the gamma-civic project!!
Oh, and that lunch was not a buffet with VIPs reception, Rs10000 is what Bheenick claimed per day for his personal lunches!
yashna

I did not have time to answer all your points as I was going to class, so Im going to do it now.

I said entertainment allowances, and you should know that it amounts to almost Rs20000 per month for some people, and till now I don’t have a concrete example of how that has helped the country progress. Do you read the audit reports, did you see from the last one how many millions are wasted each year by the government and no one pays attention to it?

And in my viewpoint, voting for someone who is of the same religion as you just because of this factor is religious bigotry. The country has progressed a lot but we still have lots more to achieve to be comparable to any of the world’s great nations.

And you show your immaturity by telling me that mentalities will change by themselves. It’s been 40 years and they haven’t changed. Why? Because here people don’t listen if you say something different. How much progress has been made to stop AIDS inspite of the many efforts of PILS?

And as for the reason for getting an outside scholarship, the university of Mauritius is already free, there won’t be enough incentive for people to strive to get it. It certainly wouldn’t for me. If I had to learn just to get 5As, I would not have made that extra effort, would not have sacrificed so much of my leisure time.
Maybe it wasn’t for you but for thousands of students, these scholarships were the reason they learnt so much. It’s the reason why so many students are ranked among the top of the world. This year, 3 came first and they were all ranked or laureates. Ask yourself why Mauritius, which is a tiny island, places its citizens in the top of the world, in the world’s most prestigious universities. It’s because of the motivation the scholarships offer, and giving local scholarships just won’t have the same effect.

And yeah, about salaries, if people less qualified and less experienced than you get much better salaries then I would say that you’re not getting the salary you deserve. In the U.S, the best paying jobs are in the scientific field, not the case in Mauritius.

And that last blooper ‘laser is light and is cheap’, wow, are you sure you’ve done science??

You are confusing optical fibers with lasers. Here they use immensely complicated equipment with miniature, extremely powerful lasers to examine certain properties of the atom such as energy levels and these lasers cost a lot! And it’s private funds, so you don’t need to concern yourself with Obama and the senate approving it.

And outside scholarships, there are absolutely no universities in U.K and U.S who give international students scholarships for medical studies. And it’s about 1,5 million rupees per year, so these people need the money!

I hope I answered most of your points but if you want clarification, just ask!
Kunal

At Ashfaq:

If you can read english, please read this:
http://www.news.utoronto.ca/campus-news/u-of-t-to-acquire-canadas-most-powerful-supercomputer-from-ibm.html
Thats another array of 4000 servers bought last year…

Yashna commented on the laser thing too, see? I wasnt bullshitting… she is right. You said laser light is simply light and light is cheap??! WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what a laser is? Its not the one on your keychain… You are a serious moron lol…

Do you even know what a hologram is? You said:
“Microsoft has put up a concept of keyboard and screen under research using laser holography”

WTF r u talking about? Eat a knife dude…

you were living 2 feet under a rock man… seriously, theres something called internet, go do some research… If you think that is the most expensive equipment in the world, then you’re still wrong… We even have multi billion $$$ facilities that recreates the internal of a star, WTF r u talking about?

Well people, besides spamming your inbox, my message is:
Theres a lot in this world to give the students of UoM but instead of giving them the opportunities, that stupid country is building massive call centres… (cyber-fes citi), info-fes 2009, and all those useless events where millions of mauritian tax payers’ hard owned money go wasted.

That money should be invested into UoM to make it a better place, those investemnts should be directed to new facilities, technologies etc FOR YOU GUYS!

There is a lot of technology out there, and that should be available to YOU mauritians. I’m lucky to be in the most powerful univ in Canada, here I have learned a lot. I wish the opportunities that were given to me here was available to all you guys — if it exists here, it can definitely exist in mauritius! Its a shame that the country’s money is going into the drain.

You guys pay a lot of tax money and that money MUST be directed towards a better education. People like Ashfaq make you think that UoM is the best whatever bullshit… the straight answer is: NO!

And pullleeeaaazzzeeee dont read Ashfaq’s comments, he’s full of it. It will be then, that sending laureats outside the country wont make a difference. It will be then that the country will be better.

(And BTW Ashfaq, I do have a very hot girlfriend, ask Yashvin for the photo…)
my2cents

Wow This blog is really long. I didn’t have the courage to read everything. Here’s my two cent.
First of all Yashna congratulations on being a laureate and on being at a very prestigious university in the US. I am just wondering, since the Government does not fund studies to the US you must have obtained a scholarship from your university. What happens to the money, does it go to the next in line. I hope it does. In any case don’t let the glitter get into your eyes girl. You have a long way to go and I am sure you will be very successful, having secured a seat at a university ranked “fourth worldwide” is no joke (I wonder which ranking though as there are so many out there).
Kunal – “120 supercomputers” are you sure. You mean a supercomputer with 120 CPUs maybe, or 120 frames or nodes. What’s its name? Is it SciNet you are talking about. That’s a cool one. Way up there in the ‘Top 500′ I can see. Thanks Google What do you use it for. Normally these machines are bought by a consortium and they are housed on a university campus. If the meteorological services in Ontario is using it is because they pitched in and have nodes reserved for their exclusive use perhaps.

The debate here is mostly between the University of Mauritius (UoM) and the other big research powerhouses around the world. Trust me those who did not get the chance *yet* to study in one of those powerhouses, the education that you are getting at UoM is a very good one, comparable to what you will get in those big institutions. In some cases it may even be better. You didn’t have to take a course with 250 students. At times it seems classes are conducted not by the professors, but by graduate students working as teaching assistants. These people don’t have the knowledge a professor would have.
The big difference between our UoM and these research monsters is resources and money. UoM simply does not have the money to provide what these big universities can. And the reason the latter can is because they have a large endowments, have a generous alumni, get research funding and because they charge for tuition. If you didn’t get a scholarship you have to pay to get into these universities. And it is very very costly. Even the lower ranked universities in the UK or US is way out of the reach of the simple Mauritian. Tertiary education cost money, a lot of money. It will take a lot of money to make UoM a research university. Singapore has been able to do it, I hope we too will be there. It will demand a political will. A lot of money needs to be pumped into the university. The library for one needs to be upgraded. And for that money is required, and it can only come when we as students are willing to pay for the education. Are we?

As for the laureates. I know it can be hard to leave the lavish lifestyle in the US, UK, or Australia. But please do come back to take our country to the next level. If you are not coming back, please don’t criticize those who were not as lucky as you were, cause they are doing what they can. And when you read about Mauritius in Economist e.g. and it brings a big smile on your face and you are jumping around showing your US friends where you come from (because they probably haven’t met a Mauritian before meeting you) know that it is thanks to those who stayed behind.

Glory to the…
Beloved country may God bless thee, for ever and ever.
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@ yashna – are you intelligent or are you finally just a record and play machine ?? “..â€˜Mauritius can now compare to Dubaiâ€???? I was in Dubai 3 weeks ago..” what the heck do u understand when i said jugnauth removed Duty such as we can b compared to Dubai ?? you are stupid or wat ? i was referring to the fact that Mauritius became duty free island same like dubai is a duty free paradise.
rs10000 for lunches , if that’s wat it takes to have someone competent at the head of BOM .. u can understand sooo easily about $600millions for equipment purchasing .. but u cannot understand that some people need to eat rs10,000 lunches ?? what kind of stupid r u ??

The actual government wasted millions, right.. but it brought rs25billions .. we are still benefiting from it , aint we ??
“..voting for someone who is of the same religion as you just because of this factor is religious bigotry” I never said that, U WERE TALKING ABOUT RACISM, i said there is nothing wrong to vote for someone of the same religion as u. I didn’t say it is the only factor to consider, that’s U who said it.

“The country has progressed a lot but we still have lots more to achieve to be comparable to any of the worldâ€™s great nations. ”
I had many discussions about that on many forums n websites, about people who think that USA is actually THE model of civilisation, that’s in UR mind, u find it’s the ideal Model of civilization and we should compare to them. Why don’t we compare to Dubai ?? The Economic crisis affected which country MAINLY, USA!!.. Their model is flawed. arab system based on risk sharing, is for me the ideal model..

FOR YOUR KIND INFO, MAURITIUS IS RANKED 1st in AFRICA AS THE MOST WELL GOVERNED COUNTRY

“And you show your immaturity by telling me that mentalities will change by themselves. Itâ€™s been 40 years and they havenâ€™t changed.” – mentality haven’t changed ?? .. you should be blind to say that.. If mentality didn’t change, you think, ARC EN CIEL would be able to walk and parade at Rosehill ?? u think girls would be more than boys at UoM, in colleges or schools ?? You should change ur specs..
PILS ?? Increase in AIDS !! .. who told you the prevention is not effective ?? or might be it is the number of persons coming to be scanned who have increased because now they are less stigmatized. you look too much at the empty half of the glass, see he half full too..

“..the university of Mauritius is already free,..” don’t spit in your on plate.. you are not soo rich that you needed scholarship yourself to study where you are, some parents get rs3000/month and they have to pay rs15000 for their kids to go to university, SO STOP YOUR BULLSHIT, all what you said, even ur foul words, i didn’t pay attention, but when people become arrogant and forgets the poor, u better remove ur words..
“..places its citizens in the top of the world, in the worldâ€™s most prestigious universities..”, is that the achievement of a lifetime ?????? being ranked top of the world ?? This is just bragging around.. and doing that you are just proving how STUPID you are because in the end, what the HSC made you is a perfect recording machine with NO LOGIC and eventually NO HUMANITY, as your words proved it on the fees of UoM which in YOUR WORDS is FREE..

“..In the U.S, the best paying jobs are in the scientific field, not the case in Mauritius..” This is a MERE analysis, if you cannot reach a conclusion, means you are not mature enuf, Mauritius has NO R&D, simply because of our restrained 1million persons market, which means all we do is BUY and maintain and eventual SELL sometimes, we do not CREATE or rarely. That’s WHY SCIENCE is not such a big field here.

Light is the Cheapest, EXACTLY, light can be repeated with the same accuracy over and over again, it does not get corroded nor rusted nor worn out. So, YES, it is the cheapest.
LASERS- one of those words i liked telling my friends about in CPE – was the time i learned all acronyms by heart.. stands for Light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation… laser is Just That. Nothing more. and from that you use wavelengths and interferometry and find new applications. I OBVIOUSLY did not talk about optical fibers.

NOW ITS PRIVATE FUNDS – THE UOM USE EQUIPMENTS TO TEACH – MILLIONS OF RUPEES IN EQUIPMENT TO TEACH – WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, ARE EQUIPMENTS FROM RESEARCH – WHICH ARE MADE FROM MONEY GIVEN FOR RESEARCH .. not for students to play around with equipments and making experiments. UoM is a university to teach and make graduates not to make research for the private sector. like they do in USA. earning side money.
At your last point, why should the student only consider UK and USA ??

I refuted all your points 1 by 1. BTW, you said if i need any clarifications to let you know.Why the hell would i ASK U for clarifications ?? because u were laureate you fink you hold the answers to all questions ?? Then you are the most stupid of all, The one who thinks he knows everything, know nothing.. it’s a quote
Cheerz imbecile..
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@ kunal – Firstly u stated 120 Supercomputers and now in ur article it is 1 supercomputer .. whether it is the 2nd fastest is not in consideration since 1 remains 1, not 120 !!!
your light stuff i replied it already to the reply to yashna.
Your View about cybercity is flawed, cybercity is not callcentrecity.. It is outsourcing facility which comprises accountancy. Accounts earn rs50-80000 instead of rs12000 there..so, for Mauritius it is a bit leap forward..knowing the basic salary starts at rs3000.
“There is a lot of technology out there, and that should be available to YOU mauritians..”- what would be the use of a silicon valley in Mauritius ?? Technology is one thing, USEFUL of technology is another one. What is the use to have more technology if you do not have the use for it. Then it is Useless. Useless = Wasted Money.
Mauritius do not need those facilities because we do not for instance need to investigate stars, space, or do research on sounds, vision.. because the main usage of all those technologies are mainly for military usage in the First place. It is only much later that those technologies will be of any use to us. I thought someone who is giving such a brilliant image of himself as being a researcher as some BIGGEST univ in canada would have come to such a basic conclusion earlier.
I encourage Everyone to read kunal’s comments they are full of himself !! lolzz..

I have a HOT gf too.. your definition of beauty is proper to urself only, what you find HOT might be ugly for me.. cheerzz.. im glad for you tho..
To finish, a little phrase in creole “pou sak dipain rassi ena so fromaz gater” Lolzz..
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@my2cents – “know that it is thanks to those who stayed behind.”

Gooosshh .. that one phrase is something.. while reading the paragraph, i knew where you were getting to.. lolz.. Really nice one ..
You summed all what i wanted to say in 1 phrase
*applause*

Goodnite and all the best my2cents
yashna

@ my2cents,

Actually the government does fund studies to the U.S, it was when we hadn’t yet become a republic that laureates had to go either to UK or Australia. Now it doesnt matter which country you go to study and there have been at least 2 laureates before me who have gone to the U.S,
I was talking about U.S news ranking but Caltech is usually ranked among the top 5 for engineering and science.
http://www.universityportal.net/2007/09/world-university-ranking-of-engineering.html

I was cloud nine on reaching here but after 1 week of classes, I have started to realise that yeah I still have lots to achieve and do.
By the way, Caltech has a ratio of 7 students per teacher( it has a small undergraduate population).
But what I had actually wanted to post about is the laureateship system and why it should not be abolished. I know that UoM has a high standard for engineering and science( many of my school friends are going there), but the fact is that its technology, opportunities and facilities are limited. By lack of funds and political will. Giving students the opportunity to study in an expensive reputed foreign university they would not be able to afford otherwise, is an immense motivating factor.
yashna

Wow, some people sure are dense!!!
I wasn’t sure if I should actually reply to such nonsense but yeah I’ll give it a try,
You said quote’such that we can be compared to dubai and be as competitive as them.’endquote
I don’t know what people who understand english should derive from it apart from what you mean!!
It’s been 5 years and we are still nowhere as competitive as Dubai.
You actually think it’s better for one person and im precising ONE person to claim Rs10000 of taxpayers’ money for lunch rather than spend on research equipment, it’s probably because of such thoughts that UoM doesnt get high class equipment, but I’ll just let the readers make their own conclusions. And yeah, i admit it, i am so stupid that i really can’t understand why a person needs to eat for Rs10000 per day on money my parents are contributing for, but I really can understand why we need money for scientific equipment!!

Do you read anywhere that I said the US economic model is THE model to follow?? I don’t have that viewpoint, I certainly wont write about it!! I mentioned quote ‘the world’s great nations’, you immediately thought USA, so who’s biased??

And yeah I do know Mauritius is one of the best governed nations is Africa, I mentioned it to my US friends but being the best in the African continent doesn’t mean we can claim to be the best in the world, to have the best university, and that everything’s fine and rosy.

I have not been ranked top of the world, so I was not talking about myself but my friends, and I’m sure it’s so easy a feat that you achieved it, right??

I didn’t say AIDS was increasing, I asked how much progress had been made in efforts to stop it? People don’t want those who are trying to stop drugs to get methadone doses in the hospital near them. Even the Minister of Human Rights does not attend the arc-en-ciel march, Sex-education in schools is taboo, and i can still go on! Mentalities are changing indeed.

I said that a scholarship to UoM would not be a motivating factor and for most of the students it would not be so. I know some people don’t have enough funds to cover it but most people who have the necessary qualifications do have it and it is these people who will be getting the UoM scholarships in Bunwaree’s new plan!

You’r right, we do not create, that’s why people qualified to create, who want to do something valuable in the scientific world, leave the country. And by the way, what are you doing in those RS40 million labs of yours?

It seems your knowledge of lasers is limited to what you knew in CPE, that is, its acronym, the lasers they have here are quite expensive, I don’t know which kind, if any, you’ve seen in mauritius, maybe kunal’s right, it’s the one in your keychain. The one I’ve seen is used to keep a proton in motion to experiment on gravity.

You did not seem to believe that so much money could be invested in research, from your previous post on kunal’s supercomputers, you said that the U.S government had lost trillions of dollars, etc, so I was making sure you knew that the university receives private donations and can afford really expensive technology.
How many people graduating from UoM donate to it?

Because these two countries are the reference for medical studies, the best programs are found there.

And I asked you if you wanted clarification on MY points, because I had written them and if I hadnt expressed myself correctly, I would have clarified what I said for you, as it’s obvious that I will know best what I meant!!
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

@Yashna – are you making it a point not to understand ??
“Itâ€™s been 5 years and we are still nowhere as competitive as Dubai..” Dubai has been duty free for twenty years and didn’t build itself in 5 years.. The idea was to make Mauritius duty free island and it is now and that will take at least 20 years before we can start yielding. You cannot put up laws and overnight ask for benefits.
“Rs10000 of taxpayersâ€™ money for lunch rather than spend on research equipment”- I never made that parallel.. But WONDERING what kind of equipments could be bought with rs10000 – rs300000.. !! lolzz..

okay fine requoting ur quote “I mentioned quote â€˜the worldâ€™s great nations” World’s greatest nations are who – the G7-G8 G20 ?? all of that have the same economic model. And Arab countries are not part of that.

“Minister of Human Rights does not attend the arc-en-ciel march”.. This is pure politics.. The minister does not attend it, for the same reason he attends the religious festivals.. Because of fear of losing votes. That’s it.

“Sex-education in schools is taboo”- it is not taboo !! or mite be, it was at YOUR SCHOOL. At mine, ther was Mr Soobramanyen who gave us a lengthy lecture on sex education, not to forget the really nice show by some ONG. I was in for 2 at the time and it is already more than a decade ago. So, NO IT IS NOT TABOO.

“I said that a scholarship to UoM would not be a motivating factor and for most of the students it would not be so” .. it depends..
Who could pretend to a scholarship before ?? i am talking about the state scholarship.. Now as you said rs1.5million/year is what cost 1 laureate, rs20000/ year is the fees at UoM.. let’s say for a scholarship, the government can give rs150000 to each student to study at UoM.. course + stipend… Now, you can send 10 students there.. Thus instead of 30 scholarships, the government can give 450 scholarships to UoM.. If that’s not FAIR and a good idea.. within U.. Sounds you got a hypocrite nature and don’t like to share. Sharing is THE MOST BASIC principle that should be taught to children at school.

EVENTUALLY, LAUREATES LEARN TO KEEP EVERYTHING TO THEMSELVES AND NOT HELPING OTHERS BECAUSE IF YOU HELP SOMEONE ELSE, THEY MIGHT GET BETTER POINTS THAN U, SO DONT HELP..

“Youâ€™r right, we do not create, thatâ€™s why people qualified to create, who want to do something valuable in the scientific world, leave the country…”- We do not create on an industrial basis, but Mauritius is as we say in creole “soleil leve pou tou dimounes”, for those who strive and want to do something, Mauritius can be a PARADISE for them, there is soo much to be created.
Heard about Aminah gurib and mohee .. the 2 lecturers of UoM in the top 10 africans..

“And by the way, what are you doing in those RS40 million labs of yours?..” – The lab as i said is one of the labs i have used a lot, but there are other labs which cost even twice that amount.
The lab consists of machines whereby you can design and make programs and there are robots in there, they make the object for you. You have to learn to use those robots and program them to manufacture stuffs.
Those are robots used in high tech companies, where high accuracy are needed, specially for production of aircraft spare parts, satellite, equipments require high degree of accuracy and space crafts. mainly.

“It seems your knowledge of lasers is limited to what you knew in CPE ” – I wonder if people doing experiments on emission spectroscopy and interferometry are limited to what they knew in CPE..

“you said that the U.S government had lost trillions of dollars, etc,”.. Yes, i said it, but as far as research is concerned. We were kind of comparing the US unis with Mauritian Ones in terms of INFRASTRUCTURE given to STUDENTS so that they LEARN and can USE the knowledge at WORK. So, the UoM is not a private funded University, because it’s aim is to promote knowledge and not to work for the private sector or do research for them. The Unis in US, are sometimes made only for that, for researchs.
Here, it is a different kind of university which still has StATE OF the ARt technologies that students can USE and apply that in state of the Art industries.

“…And yeah I do know Mauritius is one of the best governed nations is Africa, I mentioned it to my US friends[...] everythingâ€™s fine and rosy.”
You see, you mentioned it to your US friend.. haha.. being proud of something you will never be part of. How SAD !! .. you who criticize the way those who stay behind acquire knowledge and the facilities we are given to do so.. and you FEEL proud when those same persons bring the country forward.. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEING PROUD.. Because you have betrayed your country already. The country who nourished you with FREE education. And will you ever repay back ??? will you ever come back to repay Mauritius for what it made you ???
Every country aspires to be TOP OF the World. But, for a population of 1million persons out of 6 billions on this EARTH.. if we were at the 100th place, we would also be glad..But what we are achieving with the “limited facilites of UoM as U put it” is simply Enormous, just thinking about that should make you tremble.. Despite the many facilities given to U in the USA.. What are achieving ?? Will that be of any use to the Republic of Mauritius, to the children in the slums of roche bois and cite la cure ? will that be of any use to the economic situation of mauritius , will that promote mauritius on the world market ? because in the end, all what you are doing will promote only the university, city, country where U live and whose facilities you are using to achieve it.

“..Because these two countries are the reference for medical studies, the best programs are found there..”- I won’t tend to think, it is Japan or India who have the best programs but again that is My point of view, same like it is your point of view or the point of view of some magazines that those 2 countries are the reference for medical studies.

Also, do reply me those questions..

The actual government wasted millions, right.. but it brought rs25billions .. we are still benefiting from it , aint we ??

If mentality didnâ€™t change, you think, ARC EN CIEL would be able to walk and parade at Rosehill ?? u think girls would be more than boys at UoM, in colleges or schools ??

â€œ..places its citizens in the top of the world, in the worldâ€™s most prestigious universities..â€, is that the achievement of a lifetime ?????? being ranked top of the world ?? Btw Laureate does not mean top of the World, it is just Top of the countries taking part to the stupid HSC exams which does not evaluate COMPLETELY a student and its many FLAWS.. but i am not here to talk about that..

Think this is going to be my Before Last reply.. @yashna cheeerz. I reserve myself the right to reply to any further attachks.. lolz
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

@ashfaq :
Think this is going to be my Before Last reply
Yeah, lol, I think its high time each of us say their last words on this post
Becoming a bit too long, isnt it?
http://hackers.mu selven

Do the poor need to have a reward of going abroad to still thrive hard in the competition at high school level ? No. Because, all the poor need is to have a scholarship to going to tertiary level.

Stop making that poor and rich distinction.. this is like heading a politician talk :s.

This difference shouldn’t exist if you get everyone on the same starting line.
yashna

Ashfaq, at least read before making stupid comments, I have already answered your last two points but I’ll quote my own post so that you finally see it:

I have not been ranked top of the world, so I was not talking about myself but my friends, and Iâ€™m sure itâ€™s so easy a feat that you achieved it, right??

Even if it is a flawed system and only involves countries like Singapore and England, surely you could easily have done it since you think it’s so easy.

And it’s Rs10000 per day, so assuming he works 5 days a week, Rs50000 per week, Rs200000 per month, you do know how to calculate right? And then per year, make your own conclusions, and I was not originally talking about research, it could at least be used to send needy students to UoM right???

And stop contradicting yourself!! You said

â€œ..In the U.S, the best paying jobs are in the scientific field, not the case in Mauritius..â€ This is a MERE analysis, if you cannot reach a conclusion, means you are not mature enuf, Mauritius has NO R&D, simply because of our restrained 1million persons market, which means all we do is BUY and maintain and eventual SELL sometimes, we do not CREATE or rarely. Thatâ€™s WHY SCIENCE is not such a big field here.

So what are you creating in your labs?? Oh yeah, aircraft parts, that will help the people living in slums, of course it will.

The ministry of education recently removed questions relating to sex-education in a survey by an NGO, that shows great proof of forward thinking!!

About sharing, what difference do you think it actually makes to me if the laureateship system is maintained or not? I have already gotten my money, I could just let things go by without taking a stand. Who’s going to lose if the system of state scholarships is removed?

These students who really don’t have the means to study in excellent foreign universities. And it seems you have absolutely no idea what private funds mean! It’s not the same thing as private sector, you know.
Alumni who have obtained money fund the university and they do do in millions of dollars, most of the buildings and infrastructure here have been made with their help, and before you make another stupid comment, each of these buildings bear the name of the donator.
And why don’t you answer my question, HOW MANY UoM ALUMNI DONATE TO IT?

And I said that the government has the means to fund both the current and the UoM scholarships and you still have not refuted( coherently) that UoM scholarships will not give students the same motivation as the state ones.

And you sure are stupid, I never even G8, but it’s the first thing that came to your mind when you heard great nations, For me great nations are the asian ones. And jusr look at the rankings in ANY ranking agency for medical schools.

Also, who the hell do you think you are?? You have absolutely no right to claim that I don’t have the right to feel proud of my country, and even less the right to make the immensely arrogant implication that it is due to you that it is great. Or even to UoM, the governor of BoM you defend so much went to Oxford, the PM, minister of finance, etc all went to foreign universities.

I have not done anything yet to help my country, but then neither have you. And you are in Mauritius. You are still so limited in your knowledge of things you can’t even bring yourself to think of the world as one. In the scientific world, it makes no difference which country you came from, what matters is helping science and PEOPLE. When people developed cures for diseases in a country, do you think it’s only that country which benefits?

You are so anti-patriotic you even said a Mauritian Nobel Prize winner would make no difference. I believe that when you hear about Mauritian success stories in other countries, you still don’t feel proud.

What you actaully feel is JEALOUSY, jealousy you didnt go to a foreign university and you resent those who have had that opportunity. Jealousy you are in Mauritius, earning half of what your counterparts in other countries do.

You know what, it is going abroad which makes you truly realise how insignificant you are. You think that I believe I know everything because Im a laureate?
Here this makes absolutely no difference, Im with 260 other students who are all brillant, who have all gotten scholarships of some form. They know as much and in many cases more than me.
I know that I still have loads to do before I actually manage to do something that will help science, but at least Im not pretending that it because of me the country’s progressing, like you are!!

And you asked what I was achieving in the U.S, well, till now nothing and it’s only been 2 weeks since I’ve arrived, but hey, what have you achieved in Mauritius?
Kevin

Kugs said:
“Everyone against them are a bunch of jealous ppl who would have done the same thingâ€¦Zour la guerre civile eclater dans sa pays la par malchance, mo gueter kot zot patriotisme pou grimper>>>

Hypocrites!!! Tous que vous etes a etre des soi disant patrioteâ€¦”

Kugs,what a load of rational arguments you’ve presented for us to believe that the state scholarship system in Mauritius is the best system in the world. Your choice of words speak loud about your level of intelligence. You are talking about patriotism but the greatest hypocrites are the laureates who take Mauritians’ money for granted and take it from their own people who are comparatively poor to develop rich countries. Yes, maybe most would have done the same but then we must change this thing for noone to be able to do it. Let’s use this money to improve the UoM so that people don’t keep on complaining on it. Call us jealous, but when we are being stolen, then the laureates are criminals for stealing poor Mauritian taxpayers. They should just be glad for having benefited from a poorly-thought mechanism. Oh well
yashna

I don’t know how many of how have read week-end’s interview of Armoogum Parsuramen, who has been minister of education for 13 years and who is now director of UNESCO’s office in New Delhi after having worked for UNESCO for many years, here’s what he says about abolishing the laureate system

Malheureusement, toute compÃ©tition comporte une part de, disons, d’injustice. Mais, aujourd’hui, Ã Maurice, avec les deux universitÃ©s locales, beaucoup plus de Mauriciens ont accÃ¨s aux Ã©tudes tertiaires. C’est une maniÃ¨re d’Ã©quilibrer les choses. Pour revenir aux laurÃ©ats, je pense que le systÃ¨me motive les Ã©tudiants, ce qui amÃ©liore leurs performances et leurs compÃ©tences. La compÃ©tition est une rÃ©alitÃ© internationale dont il faut tenir compte et s’y prÃ©parer. Il ne faut pas considÃ©rer la compÃ©tition comme un mal aussi longtemps que les limites ne sont pas dÃ©passÃ©es. Je ne crois pas qu’elles ont Ã©tÃ© dÃ©passÃ©es Ã Maurice, qui a besoin de pouvoir faire face au monde compÃ©titif dans lequel nous vivons.
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com ashfaq

There goes my last comment

@yashna – “surely you could easily have done it since you think itâ€™s so easy.” Might be, we would never know since at the time i had other priorities (That’s kind of private and i don’t find it necessary to talk about it here).
“at least be used to send needy students to UoM right”- I think the ministry of education and the ministry of finance are two distinct bodies which have their own budgets. The ministry of education should be able to do with the budget he is allocated. Reducing here and there and increasing here and there.. if you understand to what i am making allusions haha lolz ..

“So what are you creating in your labs?? Oh yeah, aircraft parts, that will help the people living in slums, of course it will.”
oh little girl, i didn’t contradict myself, i stipulated that i was talking only about 1 lab, which i used for 3 modules, i have done around 28-30 modules if i am not mistaken, yearly and semester modules, that part of design and manipulating robots is only a small part. The Engineering field i am into is about making factories more productive, competitive and eventually help them to produce more and spend less and reduce waste, sometimes with the use of computer integrated manufacturing systems and/ or by other means. Waste problem is already a big one in Mauritius, and so is high price of products people use on a daily basis. Thus, making those products at a cheaper price, will lighten the monthly budgets of all households in mauritius !! if that’s not working for Mauritians!!! lolzz..

“The ministry of education recently removed questions [..] proof of forward thinking” – I am not here to criticize but to bring solutions.. and eventually to comment on what good stuffs were made and how we could build on that for the future.

“I have already gotten my money, I could just let things go by without taking a stand. ” – Gotten YOUR money, interesting, your way of thinking. it is always good to get stands. Liberty of expression.

“And it seems you have absolutely no idea what private funds mean! Itâ€™s not the same thing as private sector, you know.” – Following the rule of 80-20 lolz !! i analysed that individuals contribution account to only 20% compared to company donations which account for 60% and 20% respectively for big and medium companies. So, as a sum of those, i would tend to take the private sector as the main contributor, thus, you will agree, the private funds can be assimilated as private sector given funds.

“Alumni who have obtained money fund the university and they do do in millions of dollars..” – It would be interesting to see if you fund anything when you start working For Mauritius, since you got money from Mauritius. cheeerzz !! lolzz , a good idea would be to fund the UoM.. hihihihi

“HOW MANY UoM ALUMNI DONATE TO IT?” – One UoM alumni could be yash.. ?? lolzz.. would be interesting to know how much he donated .. just joking.. UoM alumnis are not as rich as ther US counterparts who are paid millions. Furthermore, One interesting Point to Note, The Universities in US (on a gross majority)are not built by the Government completely, which is the case for UoM,.. however, Mauritius is nowhere comparable to US, but more comparable to arab countries or some countries in africa which have petrol, since our national resource has been for a long time sugar cane, the profit of which was “en parti” distributed to the population in terms of education gratuite, whereby the University of Mauritius is part of that plan to education.

“..went to Oxford, the PM, minister of finance, etc all went to foreign universities..” –
1. They returned back
2. At the time, Mauritius did not offer facilities to learn economics at Tertiary level here, or medecine, ..
3. Nowadays, all facilities are offered in Mauritius, thus no reasons for going abroad.

“In the scientific world, it makes no difference which country you came from, what matters is helping science and PEOPLE..” Which is probably why, the africans still can’t benefit from simple diarrhea pills whereby more than 1million people died in africa last year because of diarrhea. Your science is for the RICH

“You are so anti-patriotic you even said a Mauritian Nobel Prize winner would make no difference.” – It is a fact, not an appraisal from me, the Nobel prize made NO DIFFERENCE to Mauritians.

“jealousy you didnt go to a foreign university..”- Might be i did not, but i was still accepted to the University of Cape town, Dalhousie University and La Trobe University.

“Jealousy you are in Mauritius, earning half of what your counterparts in other countries do..” – for those with a degree, and a job, whatever we earn here is sufficient for us to live. I am not of the extravagant kind Making money wouldn’t be of much use to me lolzz.. Why do we need much money when we will leave all that soon..Most Scientists have little or no faith, since they need proofs to understand ,eventually the only stuff they have faith in is money !! lolz.. they think they will bring their money into their tombs, some do !! lolz..

“You know what, it is going abroad which makes you truly realize how insignificant you are. ” Euta, that’s soo sad, you realized how insignificant you are when you went abroad, prolly you wouldn’t have wanted to realize that!! lolzz.. hahahaha.. Oh girl, you know my faith everyday reminds me how insignificant i am, i don’t need to go univ abroad to know that. I am just a dust in this world and the earth is a dust in the galaxy and so is the galaxy a dust in the space. Religion can make you realize stuffs where science is still on page 1. introduction part !! lolz..

“You think that I believe I know everything because Im a laureate?” – i think so, because that’s the image you give of urself

“but at least Im not pretending that it because of me the countryâ€™s progressing, like you are!!” – Hey, i am not pretending !! lolz.. hahahahaha.. i just said it’s coz of the mauritians who came back or didn’t leave !! U moron

“but hey, what have you achieved in Mauritius?” – I am learning to run hihihihi lolzz ..

Was a nice time to discuss with you though you are vulgar. lolzz..

Btw.. i wrote of something that might be of some interest to you Miss HSC laureate lolzz..Check it out http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/hsc-results-2008-2009-hsc-hypocrisy.html

@yashvin
P.S : Je tire ma reverence !! lolzz.. hahahha .. my final wordss.. bonne continuation again for your blog
Kunal

& here’s my last comment:

Ashfaq, i think you’ve been living in your mom’s basement under a rock for a long time..

Please consider Yashna’s comments. You seriously dont know the world. I used to think like u and make all kinds of excuses and compare the differences between mauritius and the outer world.

But when i left that shit hole, i found out how much better the outerworld is. And i wish these same opportunities were offered to all mauritian — a bettter education system at the least.

You are behaving like a 5 year old… Every scientist wants the world to be a better place, everyone works hard to build the future. You dont see that because mauritus is such a small shithole nobody gives a fuck for that ountry. So you dont know whats happening.

You have no idea what a good univ is. You are asking me why 120 scomputers became 1? Are you an idiot or are you asking this dumb question on purpose?

Listen dude, sciNet is an array of 4000 servers which act as a supercomputer. (And to the other person interested in knowing what its used for, was it my2cents?)
We use this to study climate changes in canada. The meteoroogical centre for ontario is affilated with the dept of science and engineering for our univ.
They use this in CS for many advanced algorithms blablabla
The researchers/phd students in astrophysics will be using scinet to process the terabytes of data we receive from our 12 space observatories the university has built in nova scotia.

many many people will be using this thing… so stfu ashfaq
The 120 supercomputers are each arrays of 96 servers where 96 servers form 1 supercomputer. Seems your knowledge of IT is very limited.

I dont want to waste time with you Ashfaq, i’ve got better things to do in my life. This is my final words to you. I didnt even read half of your comments, they were too fucking hilarious i had to stop reading.

You will make a big joke of yourself the day you go outside mauritius and say things like: “Laser is light and light is cheap” By saying this, you are YOURSELF showing how much UoM is advanced in lasers that they use keychain lasers in their experiments and thats why none of their experiments yield valuable results…

I, like Yashna, havent made a joke of myself when i left… why you ask? Simple! Because i agreed to the fact that my knowledge of the world was very limited. UoM was extremely poor in resources etc. I agreed that, unike you, i will go and learn what a laser really is from a certified university (Not UoM because they use keychain lasers). And then once i know in real world what is what, then i will talk. When you do this, you feel you have learnt something of a higher level and you are closer to understanding what the world is really about.

and thats my final words… i’m so bored typing this
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

Recorded last comment of @Kunal, @Ashfaq

Awaiting that of Yashna
Reena DKL

fascinating debate….

i think there are some very interesting points which Yashna has brought up…Rs.10 000 lunch!!!??? Man! Some people get half that much as salary! pff!!!
yashna

Well, it was certainly enlightening for me to read ashfaq’s answer and see how people try to justify what can’t be justified.

Ashfaq, you write something which I comment on and then you proceed to reply to what I’ve written in a way so that you contradict yourself.

The bit you’ve written about engineering and how it relates to helping poor people makes absolutely no sense.
If children in Africa don’t receive pills, it’s because the money given by NGOs to their governments end up in the fat pockets of their leaders.

And if the government had reduced the budget of the finance ministry, a larger budget could have been given to the ministry of education.

My money, yeah, cz I worked my ass off to get it and I’ve already signed a bond to get it, so yeah, it does become my money.

You analysed?? I would be interested to know from which data. Caltech has existed since 1871 and I guarantee you that everything here has been given by private funds, it might be that the person giving the money owned a company but he was giving it in his own name.
I have not been to UoM, I owe it nothing, unlike you! And you might want to know that even public universities here obtain donations from their alumni.

You moron, you were telling me about UoM’s contribution and I was telling that I don’t know any ministers who have been to UoM, they’r all hypocrites like you, they’ll boast about it and then send their children abroad.

You used the pronoun ‘we’ indicating YOU and the others.

You asked me what I had achieved in the U.S and if you had mentioned that you were asking for stupid answers, I’d have told you that I’ve learnt spanish so far~

Also, I think you’d have done better to go to one of those foreign universities you got admitted to, at least you would not have been so bitter about not going!

And one more thing, I don’t believe in religion, and this has nothing to do with this debate but since you mentioned it, there is nothing that makes people as arrogant like religion, Religion places humans at the center of the world and the earth at the center of the universe. It makes you believe you are superior to other beings and that god came only to you. Science tells you are just one of the many creatures, in one tiny planet, that have managed to become successful and that we could just as easily be destroyed, and if that would happen, nothing would happen to earth. Life would go on without us.

I think I said almost everything then, I don’t think I want to respond to insults,

P.S I read your article and it reeks of hypocrisy and hatred. It makes me think of those people who keep saying, A+ should be abolished and then, send their kids to star schools.

Thanks Yashvin for giving me the opportunity to express myself and best of luck!
my2cents

Kunal, what a patriot you are. You call Mauritius a shithole.
How dare you!!! I’m sure that is where you will run to when your ass gets frozen in the Canadian cold! Or should I say when your shit is frozen
You are probably already bragging about the nice beaches to your friends.
Comeon man! You have found your paradise in Canada. We wish you well. But qualifying your motherland in such despicable terms does not get your points through.
Some are working hard to make it a better place here. Respect them at least.
http://www.yashvinawootar.com Yashvin

Ok, we now have everyone’s last words. Thanks for ur participation lol.

PS : You may have noticed, the post is becoming too long. That’s the reason why I decided to stop accepting comments.
But I am sure that if you want to continue the discussion and if you all agree, I can share your email addresses among urselves.

Cheers and have a nice week!1
Kunal

2Cents, ya thats true lol )) all my friends here are very impressed about our beaches

The reason i call it shit hole cos its governed in a despicable way

and yes, mauritius is beautiful!
Ace

It should be clear!!! Scholarships are offered as an investment onto the future, its the main idea behind the offering of scholarships!!!

Now if laureats accept to take the form of an investment for their, its mandatory for them to pay back sooner or later…the contrary would be a theft!!!

Et aussi, le bonom ki a dit kil naller plus revenir a moris, cela demontre ke le code dde lonneur ou ethic et linteligence ne font pas forccement pair!!!

Moris pas avancer a couse so ban intelo con!!!
Sab

pa ti pu return moi si mo ti ggne opportinuty
MARK

To those who say that laureates should return to MRU to pay back the money spent on them by the taxpayer – what is the definition of a scholarship? It is a grant and NOT a loan that has to be paid back! End of story.

What the Government of Mauritius should do is to change the conditions of the scholarship and stipulate that laureates must attend the University of Mauritius or any other alternative Mauritian institute to further their studies. If they want to study overseas, so be it but at their own expense! In that case, they forfeit their scholarship and the next best student should receive the scholarship.

What is the point of running a University in Mauritius and then give scholarships to top students to study abroad? Doesn’t that imply that the UoM is not good enough?
Raeny

To all those who say that the bond is less than 500K, please GFY! It was 500K for me and it’s now probably a lot more.
Beeraj

I fully agree when people complain when they state that the laureates are products of the Mauritian money & system. When it is said that they must return, some questions arise:

1 Given that Mauritius hardly ranks any of its university at international level, what (research or anything at all) will our best brains do in this country?

2 At the highest levels we have political nominees; which inferior roles will our best brains play in Mauritius? Will they bow to the orders of the politicians? Don’t we know that for anything requiring specialization we have our politicians looking for the “Partenaire strategique” or others from “langleterre, lafrance, etc” meaning that at the highest level they are suffering from the inferiority complex. That we are good just for copying.

3 Mauritius is notorious as a large consumer of heroine and as a nation seriously affected by diabetes.

Under such conditions, sometimes if we see any Mauritian shining in the international arena, we should not bother about how much money we spent over them but appreciate.

One good idea to keep them is to give them land which should not be transferable; be used not only for living but equally for professional development. After an absence of certain period if they don’t appear, may the land go to the next best.
Idea to be developed further.
rcpl

mo dakor..mai sa bne loreat..c zot droit sa labourse la..zot ine trimer pu ggn sa..mne cotoye zot moi…entre enn zelev ki apran pu paC ek enn ki apran pu etre parfait..ena enn monde de difference les gars..moris pa propoz nu bne bon opportunities..zot ena potentiel, intelligence plein..mai pna meritocracy dan moris..ni egaliT bne kamarad.. 1 loreat si mo pa tromP ggn enn bourse de Rs3M…aster nek penC lor enn projet komien enn minis koken…10 foi plis ki sa.. minis la pa meriT, li pren kass la..mai sa zot pa pu dir…pa pu lev lavoix..mai kan enn dimun trimer, travail kuma bef pu ggn sa, zot kriyer o e fort ki zot pa ggn droit rest dehor..c zot droit man…

pu enn zelev normal..li perdi 3 point dan lexamen, li enn ti zafr…mai saem zafr pu enn piti ki p compete pu loreat..si line perdii 3 point, li dir tw line mal travail…aster penC…bne la p apran pu zot lavenir…zot pu servi zot potentiel ek inteligence enn plas kot zot pu beneficier osi..akz zot pu bzn vive osi…!!!
Ashfaq Ramjaun

One thing,if they don`t intend to return to mauritius,they will have to pay back the scholarships. So the so-called “mauritian tax payers“ money will return to mauritius.
tegally mushiirah

i think that those laureates who do not want to come bk r really selfish.i don’t think that the Gov should pay everything for them.after all, wt’s the use?they don’t wnt to cm bk? OK.fine.that money can b invested 4 other brilliant students who badly need that money to pursue their studies.
Well guys.its high time to change that mentality of selfishness.do cm bk and serve your country.if every1 does like this, we will soon witness the gradual degradation of competent human species in Mauritius.
Ukconsultant

Guys, you are all pissing around. I left MRU in 1977 to study medicine in France (paid for by my family and working during my uni years. I graduated, took a look at going back home, but gave up this “idea”a few minutes after visiting MRU hospitals. I went on to the UK and became a Consultant in 1996. Would I work in MRU? NO why? Medicine is unethical, corrupt based on who you know rather than who you are! I have been an academic, published >20 peer reviewed papers, chapters in books. My life opportunities were better abroad and I did not quite like to have to jump thru hoops to achieve what I wanted. So grow up and stop having the “islander” mentality that MRU is better than anywhere else!
tegally mushiirah

@Ukconsultant: i agree with you that you have toiled a lot as well as your parents n i admire your motivations.
But what about those who have been laureates and the Mauritian Government have paid huge sums for their studies?If they do not return to serve their country, then i should call this ” a waste of money.” i am not saying that i am patriotic but i would have gladly come to serve my country.if everyone has such mentality as you have there the country will be a complete flop and there will never be progress. you know what? people like you are so greedy and want better prospects abroad because you are very well paid.n in that materialistic world who do not want to have more money? more and more people are narcissistic and i wonder what will happen if the world is 2 crammed with more Shakespeare’s Malvolio!!! its time that you people change this mindset and GROW as you have suggested.

i am not lecturing you for you are much elder than me but this is my point of view.if you agree,its good, if not, well sorry for you.We are in a democratic country.it’s desperate that even though God has attributed intelligence to human species some people still incapable to use even 1% if not 100% of their intelligence in such matters.
http://thewebproject.iblogger.org Nitish

Woow…i never thought scrolling could be that tiring to get to the comment form!!! ….Nice article by the way. Ironically many of them will boast about Mauritius once they get ‘adopted’ abroad. They will tell people about the beauty of the island and the culture so on…bla bla bla!

I’ve known some people (not all of the laureates though) like that who stay in european countries and the funny part is that they will tell you that they miss the island, with the traditional food and so on! How sarcastic!

I want to point out that this situation does not totally concern laureates, but also those who have been leaving the country by their own mean and that’s why Mauritius suffers a lot from brain drain. But I totally agree with you that Laureates should return to Mauritius.
Nilesh

I love this post. it just proves the level of our education system and my point.

Our “beloved” government spends an average of 6 million rupees(counting 2 million per year in UK for a BSC/BA) to put a kid through a high profile university in the UK and they only sign a bond for 500K. Do the maths people, there’s 5.5 million missing. And by the way, for those of you who do pay taxes, that’s your money.
I’d prefer see it used to do something useful for Mauritius(although i seriously doubt it with our current administration) than spent providing for a kid for a minimum of 3 years without any guarantee of getting any kind of return on investment

UOM is being advertised as a centre for tertiary education in our region. I see no valid reason why our laureates need to go abroad to get a tertiary education and spend my tax money on him/her.

We now have training in almost every field in Mauritius, why can’t we use the resources available locally?

Most of the people I know who do a great job in their fields have not been to a high profile institution or a university abroad. Why can’t our fresh laureates and all those who took part and passed the HSC exams do the same.
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http://www.yashvinblogs.com Yashvin

@Torpedo : It is a good start! Saying that there are no opportunities in Mauritius is only a blame excuse for not coming back. In that case, they did not need to sign the bond and take our money!
Hans

Mw mo dir seki p ale etudier 2hor pa retourner matelot!!!! pu nayer sa…pu ggne 1 bon travay to bzin ena BACKING POLITIK….ress 2hor travay, amizer…malgre ki to cav dimun pli intelligent, pli qualifier dan pays la entier, si to pna backing politik, pa retourner…toussa ban degree ek masters ki to cav ena la pa vo nanyer pu sa ban p*l*n la…zot pa cne valeur sa banla
Torpedo

@Nilesh: @Hans:
En tou cas, ala enn ti zistwar ki enn collÃ¨gue travail – so garson inn “sorte lorea” l’annÃ©e derniÃ¨re – pÃ© raconte moi: dÃ©marche pou gagne la-bourse la enn veritable parcours du combattant Ã§a.

Boug-la inn bizin negliz so travail nett pou capav faire va-et-vient entre ministerr, l’ambassades, check e-mails, avoy fax, alle faire le-tour tou bann departements pou gagne bann (bon) renseignement, attestations ek confirmation etc… Lerr tousala ressi fini, la-oussi pas fini parski ena enn final hurdle: enn madam ki control tou sa ti-cirque la, inpÃ© deklar couma enn board-member ki’nn dire li cri-cri: “Ou ki ou role ou? Ki-faire ou cwar mo la?”

En fait, ena enn clique haut-fonctionnaire ki decider ki pou gagne la-bourse dehors, la-bourse UoM, ki pa pou gagner, tou depann en grande partie de si ou “bien nÃ©” / “bien connectÃ©”, parski ena mem bann non-classÃ© ki capave gagner sa-bann la-bourse la. Donc, pou faire demarche mem, inn prend boug-la 9hr par jour pendant 4 semaines environ.

Alorss, finalement, quand piti-la inn ressi gagne saki li ti pÃ© rodÃ© (mÃ©decine), li trouve so bann camouades ki ena pann classer inn fini secure enn la-bourse parski zott ti ena enn kikenn ki “konn” madam-la, ek ena lezott so bann camarades classÃ© ki’nn contente zott-mem de UoM, li alle realiser ki bann ki’nn ress Moris se sont littÃ©ralement fait “voler” une bourse ‘undergrad’ internationale…

Asterr imagine bann lezott international (yet less glamorous, but with all travel & living expenses covered) scholoarships ki nek advertise enn sel koutt dans bann zournal couma Mauritius Times, ki kalitÃ© dimoun ki alle gagne sa…?

Enn l’idÃ©e sovaz: ki-ferr pas augmente bond-la ziska Rs 2 (deux) millions au-lieu 0.5 M (peanuts)?? Ar Ã§a, si zott pa retourner…
Pushkur

IF LAUREATES DOESN’T WANT TO COME TO MAURITIUS,THEN ITS SIMPLE,THE GOVERNMENT MUST NOT PAY FOR THEIR STUDIES OR THEY CAN STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MAURITIUS..THEY ARE TOO GREEDY AND OVER CONFIDENT…zot p rode tou dan plateau but nou pas couyon.
jp

quick scan at job list that my friends who won scholarships (not necessarily laureates) at the time I left school (1998) are doing right now:

mathematical analysis of financial equations in huge finance company, IT engineer on oil platforms, doctor, veterinarian, clinic dentist, 3d animator in entertainment industry, game programmer at EA sports etc… now think about it. All of them are married and most of them have met their partner during study time, and I can imagine their salary scale as well!

Why would they even bother to come back permanently to Mu?
qec_the_unbeatable

well yashvin i do agree with wat u said..bt one should also think for his/her benefit . .if there was a good job prospect in Mru, of course most of our laureates would have returned bk 2 work 4 the country but it’s not the case dear. U just cant blame them n open a blog only to make such critics..i see that most of the comments are in favour of ur arguments. i dont know if u’l b removing mine too as the others but i think what these people r doing is what they think is right for them. n it’s like a reward given to them because of their good results so they can make use of it like they wish.
Nishi

If you are so adamant about the tax payers’ money you should delve into other matters where more substantial amounts of money are being “stolen” from you (e.g. medpoint etc). Now tell me, if you were a laureate and given the opportunity to work at Apple, IBM or Google in the UK for example, what would you do? Say no in the name of Patriotism and return to Mauritius?
Basel

Well am a laureate who topped my uni in my field. I came back to Mtius to perform my patriotic duty. It has been months that I have applied for jobs (a lot of them) but no replies. I think your blog is fighting the wrong fight bro. Become a laureate, listen to the political bullshit, top your field, refuse jobs and come back here to see the bleak reality. Your blog should have been titled “After my studies, I won’t return to Corruptland”
Mandy

Dude, I bet you would be singing a different tune were you a laureate. -.-”

So much bitterness on here. Makes me lol. xD
Reshma

I give this youngster credit for being honest…he has the balls to say it out loud and he would probably stick to his words. Well…do you really think those who did not express it in words would come back to Paradise Island? What’s there for him/her anyway? As soon as he would come he would be faced with numerous hassles, prejudices and even harassments. Depending on what he/she chooses to be, they would be cautioned not to return, etc. Take me for instance. I have been away from Paradise Island for 16 years, but with the intention of returning to serve my island. For the past three years or so, I have contaccted every relevant government and non-government body about my good intentions of doing something for the island. And guess what the outcome has been? It’s laughable…some have suggested approaching ministers or other infleuntial bodies. I would perhaps but that would be indulgence, isn’t it? I would leave this privilege for someone with fake qualifications and no real accolades. I am qualified from one of the best UK universities, working in the top university in area which is so close to the needs of my mauritian counterparts….but that’s not enough of course! I don’t get any support because I may not have a non-Mauritian surname perhaps? I am still somehow managing well in this adopted homeland…it ain’t exactly what I had set out to do in my teenage years but at least I am appreciated here, at least I am making a difference somehow. Of course it isn’t the same and my wish of returning and doing something unique for my island would perhaps remain a dream….So will you lot blame me for not trying hard enough to make it back? Would you carry on assuming that I have forsaken my homeland for greener pastures? I am ready to share my many years of knowledge, training and everyhting I have known about diabetes research…is it my fault that I have done so well? Because that is exactly what is getting in my way…had I been mediocre and enlisted Mons le ministre’s help then I would be welcome with open arms…what a joke! At least the laureat is mature enough to see what is really happening. There has been big talks about the diaspora…about getting our Mauritian expats to lend a helping hand in the development of the island…but let me tell you all this isn’t the case. It is a camouflaged myth. They don’t want us to return because they feel we would pinpoint and identify the lazy, incompetent and selfish souls occupying prestigious positions and sounding important. They certainly feel threatened that we might overturn them and engulf their jobs….So don’t just judge this laureat’s intentions. Just because he/she has got a real chance of making it out of Paradise Island and you haven’t doesnot mean you have to the right to call him/her names. He/she worked hard and earned this right of passage to a better future and if you all teach your kids to do the same they might too have a better future. For a change let’s rejoice that the taxpayers’ money will be spent on a good cause and not swallowed up by the fat wallets of rotten and corrupted poiticians!
Brij

totally agree with Reshma
Paul

sincerely i think its not the fault of the laureates but it the educational system in which they are indulged from their early childhood which is to be blamed…am sure if you had the same opportunity you would have done the same….really do you want such quality students to rot in these ‘universities’ in mauritius….they surely deserve to go to world class unis , live their lives there n then come to retire in mru…. if mauritius was as highly developed as countries like uk,aus,usa,canada such a problem would have never crop up….who to blame?
RKP

Personally, I think this brain drain is a huge problem. To combat it, I propose a job guarantee for laureates from top companies in Mauritius – particularly foreign reputable companies. This way, the best get chosen for the best jobs in Mauritius and this problem – whilst it may not be entirely solved – is certainly, somewhat ameliorated.
le_voyageur

i think that laureates should come to mauritius after their studies and work here till they pay the total sum of money spent by mauritian themselves and whatever they do after is none of our concerns.

as you stated other countries have their laws which compels the laureate to come back, there should be a kind of equivalent system here in mauritius, people saying that the grass is greener on the other side: we aren’t holding back the person, just that pay your dues then continue, someone with results such as theirs would easily get jobs and trust me 2-3 years are enough to repay the dues.

if right after university they get foreign jobs, maybe if a system of working for the government was introduced, the firm taking the laureate would perhaps agree to pay the dues that the person has towards mauritians,

[i don't really know if it makes sense but in the job field, it certainly applies as i know someone who broke his work contract with company A to join company B and company B did pay a sum of money to company A as stated in the contract that if the person breaks the contract earlier, he will have to pay x sum of money to company A which company B did because it needed the services of the person]

imho laureates are people who are the same as lottery winning people, some do managed to make it but those who don’t who happens to be normally the real nerds, disgusts their lives

funny how someone who wasn’t noticed all the years in a college, had to face bullying, was laugh at because of the dressing sense and haircut suddenly becomes the pride of the college and everyone is like he’s studying in my college/class, i know him! and teachers are like he’s my student/he has been my student while actually they didn’t even cared about him, hypocrisy really.

my 2 cents even though my 2 last paragraphs are a bit irrelevant :p
Paul

Basel – laureate does not mean that you are suitable for the job market. One may be good at exams and studying, but hopeless in a working environment. so dont make a direct link between the two (I am a laureate too). Not to say that some laureate perform very poorly at uni – I know one who got a 2:1 in a course where there were 22 who got first class. It is however true that prospects are bleaker in Mauritius, bleak elsewhere in the world in this time of economic turmoil – with of course, exceptions. We live in a world where there is poor recognition of intellectual achievement or patriotism – it’s a world where the rich and powerful (no matter how they got there) dictate terms at all levels. Corruption exist in EVERY country of the world – the difference being that in Mauritius, people are stupid enough to get caught and to do it in the open ….
Anyway going to the main topic, yes conditions should be imposed and if broken, they should be asked to pay back over a period of time.
zayn

I`m with you bro…exact same situation as you are!! It`s so hard to get a decent job even if you are the top in your field in Mauritius. It really pisses me off when some f..cking idiot try act so patriotic and say stuff he has absolutely no clue about.
The only way I can get the job I deserve in Mauritius is if I`m related to some politicians, and not to mention, I should be of a certain religion! Fucking bastards.

Money contributed by MAURITIANS? Does this guy by any retarded reasoning think that he is the only one contributed to that money?! That`s another problem with the Mauritian society. Every asswipe thinks he can justify his actions and talk about others because he paid some tax. Morons!

Well yashvin, if you really wanted to share your patriotic thoughts and tell everyone how evil the laureates are, then why don`t you do it face to face. Ask the laureates why they are not returning? Don`t you think that people would want to return to their families and to the place they grew up??? You might be a laureate yourself, or not? (who gives a shit anyway about a retard), and probably the only reason you are able to talk about others is because you have some decent job with a good salary and could be you have some political contacts, but did you ever try to understand the situation from an unbiased perspective??
Psy[4]

Abroad is good, home is the best.
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